Being subject to Kings, Rulers, Magistrates v. Civil Disobed

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Re: Being subject to Kings, Rulers, Magistrates v. Civil Dis

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Dr. Shades wrote:Hold on just a second. Regular, average, ordinary Germans fighting on the front lines didn't hop on trains during their off-hours (they had none) and go to the concentration camps to commit murder (or do anything else). Those who manned the concentration camps were selected from among the SS and were an EXTREME minority of the German citizenry.

Plus, the Nazis were a political party. An average German soldier wasn't automatically a Nazi any more than an average American soldier is a Democrat.

How do you know his allegiance was blind? How do you know he wasn't drafted like all other 18 year-old German young men?


Anyone who was part of the mass genocide machine of Hitler's Third Reich was complicit in those war crimes. If they did oppose it, then their allegiance wasn't blind. They were still complicit in carrying out those orders. If they didn't oppose it, you have to wonder why didn't they? They weren't blind. They knew who was disappearing within their communities. And they helped round them up to hand them over to the killing machine. There was no neutrality for those German soldiers. They were either for or against. To be against, they'd be sent to the gas chambers themselves, or executed. It was easier for the Mormon Germans to go along than to oppose their government. To go along they had to be complicit in the gassing of the Jews and others Germany declared who the undesirables were. Mormons didn't question. That doesn't get them off the hook.

The Mormon Germans also helped aid in the detection of those Jews who had gone underground or converted to another religion by using their genealogical records. They literally threw the Jews under the bus to the Gestapo.


What % of Mormon Germans did any of that?


Most of them, according to the book by historian Nelson. The Mormon church statewide in Germany banned Jews from entering their chapels or churches. Placing swastikas and "Jews barred" signs on their doors. While any Jews that might have previously converted were banned from attending. The genealogy was what they had readily at their disposal to throw the Jews under the bus to Hitler. By determining which of them were converts. Which were born to a Jewish parent or grandparent, even if they'd converted to Christianity or become secular. Germany used the Mormon church records that were readily provided them by culpable Mormons to round up those among them who weren't otherwise recognized as being Jewish, or part Jewish. Hitler's formula for who was a Jew was they had to have at least a parent or grandparent who was Jewish even if they were not. The Mormons used their genealogy records to help the Gestapo find those of mixed parentage.

Aiding and abetting in the mass genocide of their own countrymen. Many Mormon Nazis served as SS and gestapo in the death camps. They were complicit.

Call for references on those assertions.


Nelson's book says it all. "Moroni and the Swastika." I hadn't known of the Mormon's complicity before learning about it from him.

It's all in there. While he was speaking at the ex-Mormon conference in 2015 a man came up to him afterwards (in Salt Lake City,) bragging that his own father had been one of the Mormon guards in the concentration camps. He was proud of that fact. I found it shocking in light of what Nelson's book exposed about Mormons complicity with the Nazis. His father had been a SS guard.

So I get it's a part of his history. But to boast about it? Sick. He should have been tried as a war criminal. Many of the SS guards and Nazis (including Mormons among them,) immigrated to America following WWII.

J Reuben Clark was a virile anti-Semite during WWII, and his lifetime. As a GA, he turned his backs on the Jews of Germany when they implored him to do something on their behalf. He aided and abetted from Salt Lake City in cooperating with the Third Reich, and assisting the German Mormons smoke out their fellow countrypeople.

Where is that documented? "Moroni and the Swastika."
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