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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:03 am 
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ASK YOURSELF A PERSONAL QUESTION:

Can I be happy without Jesus in my life?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO

Do I really need Jesus in my life to be a happy?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:07 pm 
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What if someone is happier having Jesus in their life than they are without?

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How is Jesus in anyone's life? His legacy, teachings (or those attributed to him) - sure.... But tell how Jesus himself is in anyone's life. Please.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:15 pm 
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Res Ipsa wrote:
What if someone is happier having Jesus in their life than they are without?


Are you suggesting that such a one originally didn't have Jesus in their life and on their own failed to achieve or maintain a high level of happiness without introducing an imaginary friend into their life?

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Shulem wrote:
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What if someone is happier having Jesus in their life than they are without?


Are you suggesting that such a one originally didn't have Jesus in their life and on their own failed to achieve or maintain a high level of happiness without introducing an imaginary friend into their life?


I’m not suggesting anything other than the possibility that a person could be happier with Jesus in his life than without.

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How is Jesus in anyone's life? His legacy, teachings (or those attributed to him) - sure.... But tell how Jesus himself is in anyone's life. Please.


I’m using the phrase In the way that I understand Shulem to be using it: belief in a divine Jesus, acceptance of him as a personal savior, and having some sort of personal relationship with him. Something like that.

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How is Jesus in anyone's life? His legacy, teachings (or those attributed to him) - sure.... But tell how Jesus himself is in anyone's life. Please.


It's all in the imagination.

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Res Ipsa wrote:
I’m not suggesting anything other than the possibility that a person could be happier with Jesus in his life than without.


I suppose it is possible that a person could be happier having an imaginary friend in their life rather than having a normal healthy relationship with themselves and other living persons who live on planet earth. But hey, who am I to say that someone couldn't be happier playing with their imagination and living a fantasy?

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Shulem wrote:
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I’m not suggesting anything other than the possibility that a person could be happier with Jesus in his life than without.

I suppose it is possible that a person could be happier having an imaginary friend in their life rather than having a normal healthy relationship with themselves and other living persons who live on planet earth. But hey, who am I to say that someone couldn't be happier playing with their imagination and living a fantasy?

Exactly. Who are you to say? Who am I to say?

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Exactly. Who are you to say? Who am I to say?

Exactly. Everyone has the right to pursue happiness according to their own conscience and that includes the right to worship an imaginary being.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:02 pm 
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It has crossed my mind that I thought Jesus in your life meant finding the life message and death of Jesus an inspiration to try and make the world a better place.

Occasionally it sounds as if in this thread Jesus in your life is about making time on Saturday to play checkers with an imaginary friend.


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huckelberry wrote:
Occasionally it sounds as if in this thread Jesus in your life is about making time on Saturday to play checkers with an imaginary friend.


No, actually, we're sewing this week.

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Shulem wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:
I’m not suggesting anything other than the possibility that a person could be happier with Jesus in his life than without.


I suppose it is possible that a person could be happier having an imaginary friend in their life rather than having a normal healthy relationship with themselves and other living persons who live on planet earth. But hey, who am I to say that someone couldn't be happier playing with their imagination and living a fantasy?


There are people who have undergone significant trauma, and who do find comfort in having a Good Guy accompany them everywhere, comfort them, tell them they're loved and how to love. I wouldn't be surprised if it enhanced cognitive abilities for some, by decreasing anxiety.

My mother's father was almost completely absent from her life even though alive and well. My father's father was an abusive alcoholic. It appears to me that they primarily use their religion to focus on that relationship of feeling like they legitimately exist and that others do as well. It helps them function.

Where I would be more critical is the exclusive reliance on an institution to do that, as Mormonism demands.


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Can you supply one actual bit of physical evidence that directly supports the proposition that there is a god and which is indisputable and not subject to interpretation?

Sure, I could. But first, let’s be sure we’re referring to the same thing. So, thoroughly define God.


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Shulem wrote:
Can I be happy without Jesus in my life?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO

So what if I could live my life never hearing Pachelbel's Canon in D major? My life was enriched by hearing it. It put a smile on my face and provided me with a transcendent experience.

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Meadowchik wrote:
having a Good Guy accompany them everywhere . . . . It helps them function.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:08 pm 
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Amore wrote:
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Can you supply one actual bit of physical evidence that directly supports the proposition that there is a god and which is indisputable and not subject to interpretation?

Sure, I could. But first, let’s be sure we’re referring to the same thing. So, thoroughly define God.

Well, I'm pretty sure your physical evidence is not going to convince me that their is a god. You are not going to convert me, not ever and neither is your imaginary god.

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Tbh, if Jesus really existed I wouldn't feel the need to Stockholm syndrome my way into any sort of ____ with him. If by chance I met him I'd pick his brain a bit, but beyond that I just don't have an interest in him or his approach to existence. It'd be akin to meeting some horrible historical figure. It might be interesting to meet them by virtue of them being well known, but I wouldn't have any respect for them outside of that context.

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You don't need an imaginary Jesus to forgive yourself and make things right. You can do that all by yourself. You don't have to rely on magic Jesus blood or close your eyes and pretend to talk to a fantasy-man asking for forgiveness. That's cheap and lazy and for those who don't want to own up and be responsible. The Christian atonement is for those who don't want to be responsible for themselves but want an imaginary man to rescue them. It's pitiful and pathetic, I know. A large part of the world's problems are caused by the Christian religion brainwashing people into throwing their problems into the air as if Jesus is going to solve them.

10 Ways To Forgive Yourself & Let Go Of The Past

1. Become clear on your morals and values as they are right now.
2. Realize that the past is the past.
3. Create a “re-do.”
4. Realize you did the best you could at the time.
5. Start acting in accordance with your morals and values.
6. Identify your biggest regrets
7. Tackle the big ones.
8. Turn the page.
9. Cut yourself some slack.
10. Move toward self-love

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:13 pm 
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Jersey Girl wrote:
huckelberry wrote:
Occasionally it sounds as if in this thread Jesus in your life is about making time on Saturday to play checkers with an imaginary friend.

No, actually, we're sewing this week.

;-)

Hi, Jersey Girl, I am going to ask because I am a little unsure how to take your comment. I will be real literal. I understand that people may find a variety of ways of contemplation to be spiritually helpful. I do not wish to be negative about sewing with Jesus. I imagine it might work out better than some church services.

For the subject of this thread I do think it is possible to be happy and forgiveyourself without Jesus. I do not know of any human action which cannot be done without Jesus. I do think he helps people look beyond themselves in their perception of the meaning of their lives.

As DoctorCam has pointed out above it is easier to forgiveoneself than to be forgiven by those you have hurt.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 12:56 pm 
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huckelberry wrote:
For the subject of this thread I do think it is possible to be happy and forgive yourself without Jesus.

Indeed, people have been doing it for thousands of years and continue to do so today.

Thank you for an honest reply.

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