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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:33 pm 
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Elder Nielson, General Authority Seventy and executive director of the Missionary Department, delivered his address at the Provo Missionary Training Center during the opening session of the annual seminar for newly called missionary training center presidents and visitors’ center directors and companions.

Thirteen of the couples are bound for visitors’ centers and historic sites, and the other eight for missionary training centers. The seminar concludes Thursday, Jan. 11, in Salt Lake City.

Elder Nielson touched on several innovative approaches intended to meet the demands of missionary work.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865 ... ption.html

“Several...innovative...approaches...”

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“I realized that they had a vision and that everybody knew the vision,” Elder Nielson commented, “that the vision was published and they were unified around this vision.”

He said, “For you who are going to go out and serve all around the world, you need to know the vision that the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve have for us.”
MTC Presidents should know what the FP and Q12 have set as the vision....

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He displayed the booklet Adjusting to Missionary Life and said, “This helps our young men and young women understand how they handle missionary service, and it teaches them skills that they can use when hard times come — and they always will.”
A booklet...

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Elder Nielson said the Missionary Department is analyzing the "investigator journey" to identify how investigators find the Church and how many make it all the way to conversion and baptism.
How can it be that they haven’t already done this?

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He displayed a graphic showing figures representing two missionaries next to a block of 100 figures representing houses. A house in the center was colored in blue, representing a household with one or more receptive contacts.

“Their goal is to find the person in the blue house,” he explained. “They have to knock on a lot of doors to find the person who lives in the blue house. We’re trying to figure out if there are quicker, more effective ways now — especially with the technology we have — to find those people and teach them the gospel.”
Now known as The Blue House initiative...

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“Their goal is to find the person in the blue house,” he explained. “They have to knock on a lot of doors to find the person who lives in the blue house. We’re trying to figure out if there are quicker, more effective ways now — especially with the technology we have — to find those people and teach them the gospel.”
you're trying to figure out if there’s a better way to sell than going door-to-door...in 2018.....staggering innovation....

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He spoke of a number of media efforts the Missionary Department is undertaking, including the “Light the World” Christmas season campaign, which reached 85 million people in 2016 and is expected to exceed that number for 2017.

Another effort was undertaken in Melbourne, Australia, taking advantage of the publicity surrounding the “Book of Mormon” musical play. A 10-foot replica of the Book of Mormon was erected, and people were invited to walk inside it, where they viewed a presentation called “Discover What’s Inside.” Visitors were invited to read just one verse from the Book of Mormon.

“It was powerful,” Elder Nielson said.
How powerful?

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During the surge, the baptisms per missionary did not go up, he noted.
So, not that powerful then...

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He spoke of the use of computer technology to find people to teach by responding to questions they ask or topics they search on social media.
No way?!?! Why hasn’t every sales organisation on the planet thought of that and been doing it for the last decade? #notgotaprophet

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Elder Nielson said all missionaries in the United States, Canada, most of Europe and much of Asia will now have mobile devices.
Incredible foresight. It’s not like everyone on the planet has had a mobile device for the last five years...

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“Brothers and Sisters, that’s a vision of the work,” Elder Nielson summarized. “We feel very strongly that there are people who are kept from the truth because they know not where to find it and that there are people who would accept the gospel of Jesus Christ if we just knew who they were. We are working to find the people in the blue house.”


A six year old would show more initiative than this. After failing to move the needle, at all, for five years, despite the biggest surge in missionary numbers in his lifetime, how is Nielson now in charge of anything other than his own meal times?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:56 pm 
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He displayed a chart with graph lines showing convert — baptism rates through 2016.
“What has happened over time is our baptisms have remained quite consistent, and we haven’t been able to move the needle much,” he said. “We’re trying to figure out how to find more people to teach.”


I wish I saw the graphs. The rates haven't remains quite consistent. They have consistently gone down.

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During the surge, the baptisms per missionary did not go up, he noted.


Convert per missionary decreased. at the height of the surge baptism per missionary was about 3.49, down from 4.62 before the surge in 2012, which happened to also be the lowest in the decade before that.

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He spoke of a number of media efforts the Missionary Department is undertaking, including the “Light the World” Christmas season campaign, which reached 85 million people in 2016 and is expected to exceed that number for 2017.


well the growth rate was as low as it had been in a century in 2016, if it's anywhere near that again in 2017, then one has to wonder what was so powerful. Why this is mentioned in terms of missionary work.

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Church members who have the Church’s “LDS Tools” app on their mobile devices can now use a feature on the app to electronically send missionary referrals of people they meet, he noted. “Immediately it goes to the missionaries in the referral's neighborhood.”


Yep the apps there. I just sent a few referrals to upset some friends.

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Brothers and Sisters, that’s a vision of the work,” Elder Nielson summarized. “We feel very strongly that there are people who are kept from the truth because they know not where to find it and that there are people who would accept the gospel of Jesus Christ if we just knew who they were. We are working to find the people in the blue house


That is the trick of business for sure. Someone out there fits the market. You just have to know how to reach them to profit.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:42 pm 
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I thought the most interesting line was this:

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He declared, “Our number 1 priority — your number 1 priority — is the care and safety of our missionaries. We want every missionary to serve a successful mission and do so without interruption."


30 years ago, the #1 priority was to bring people to Christ through the waters of baptism. So what changed?

First, it appears that they've realized that a faithful returned missionary is probably worth 100 converts. Converts are flakes, they don't stay committed, they clog up the home teaching rolls, and they don't pay much tithing.

Second, they seem to be realizing that very often, missions are crappy experiences. More people are quitting their missions, and more are quitting the church.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:16 pm 
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MTC Presidents should know what the FP and Q12 have set as the vision....


you know, I think you put your finger on it. It's one thing that the Church is false, it's another that its highest leaders actually DON'T have a vision for it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:13 am 
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Great businesses need the "vision thing" and these guys don't have it. It's got to be a downside to the hierarchical approach they take. Maybe choosing chocolate in order on seniority has run its course?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:26 am 
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Great businesses need the "vision thing" and these guys don't have it. It's got to be a downside to the hierarchical approach they take. Maybe choosing chocolate in order on seniority has run its course?


It’s a sad indictment of Monsons tenure that the Missionary Programme of the church doesn’t know what the vision is.

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You know. You'd think these guys, what with being pipelined to God n' all, would figure that the mission is about the missionary and really create, I dunno, opportunities that would HeartsellTM themselves into a young Mormon's psyche so deeply that they'd never leave the Church because being a Mormon leads to a meaningful life with purpose.

Like. What's more likely to retain a young Mormon? An incredibly stressful and disappointing mission where converts are few and far between, and the ones that do convert are usually ____ ed up in some way, OR, a mission based in genuine service where they get all these Heartsell-y moments that lead them to the conclusion that being a Mormon is more important than believing in Mormonism?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:21 am 
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With the worldwide LDS missionary force surging due to the recent reduction in age for missionary service, church leaders on Sunday spoke via satellite to a global gathering of missionaries and local church officers and members, presenting innovative approaches to missionary work, including the use of the Internet by full-time missionaries in their work and the opening of local meetinghouses to guided tours.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865 ... dcast.html

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“During less-productive times of the day — chiefly in the mornings — missionaries will use computers in meetinghouses and other church facilities to contact investigators and members, work with local priesthood leaders and missionary leaders, receive and contact referrals, follow up on commitments, confirm appointments and teach principles from [the missionary guide] “Preach My Gospel” using Mormon.org, Facebook, blogs, email and text messages,” Elder Perry said.

He added that Internet access and use of digital devices by missionaries will be introduced in phases over the next several months and into next year.


That was the innovation back in 2013 - computers and referrals.
Which is the same innovation Nielson is claiming is coming in 2018.

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If you look closely at the missionary program and how it is organized, it really shows how lacking in faith in the message the leaders really are. One doesn't see the mission president leading the charge, knocking on doors. Who has ever seen an apostle knock on a door or make a street contact? They hide in their offices and blame those directly below them when the numbers don't add up, then each in turn blames those lower until it gets to the poor immature missionary. Why don't the apostles continually blast the airwaves with their testimony of the "name" of Jesus and round up leads for the poor young missionaries? Are they afraid they will be exposed?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:35 am 
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If you look closely at the missionary program and how it is organized, it really shows how lacking in faith in the message the leaders really are. One doesn't see the mission president leading the charge, knocking on doors. Who has ever seen an apostle knock on a door or make a street contact? They hide in their offices and blame those directly below them when the numbers don't add up, then each in turn blames those lower until it gets to the poor immature missionary. Why don't the apostles continually blast the airwaves with their testimony of the "name" of Jesus and round up leads for the poor young missionaries? Are they afraid they will be exposed?


That’s a very good observation.

When was the last time a missionary got a referral from a General Authority?
When was the last time Nielson went out tracting?

The paid leadership of the Church cosset themselves within groups of people they know won’t challenge them. Imagine the power of the Apostles spending a week a month doing the same missionary work they require of full time missionaries. Leading by example as it were. Of course, when they deliver no better results than anyone else, questions would be asked about their specialness.

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If you look closely at the missionary program and how it is organized, it really shows how lacking in faith in the message the leaders really are. One doesn't see the mission president leading the charge, knocking on doors. Who has ever seen an apostle knock on a door or make a street contact? They hide in their offices and blame those directly below them when the numbers don't add up, then each in turn blames those lower until it gets to the poor immature missionary. Why don't the apostles continually blast the airwaves with their testimony of the "name" of Jesus and round up leads for the poor young missionaries? Are they afraid they will be exposed?


That’s a very good observation.

When was the last time a missionary got a referral from a General Authority?
When was the last time Nielson went out tracting?

The paid leadership of the Church cosset themselves within groups of people they know won’t challenge them. Imagine the power of the Apostles spending a week a month doing the same missionary work they require of full time missionaries. Leading by example as it were. Of course, when they deliver no better results than anyone else, questions would be asked about their specialness.


This is what really got me every time I had to endure a zone conference where we were blamed for not meeting the outlandish goals set for us by the higher ups. We never saw our leaders out there actually leading in front, showing us the way. Instead it was a game of blaming from the top down and for sure it always had to do with worthiness (masturbation). I spent time in two different missions, one in the states while waiting for a visa and one in Brazil. In the states where there wasn't as much success, the mission pres was obsessed with masturbation. One would have thought that the mission there in the states led the league in masturbatory practices. Not surprisingly, the pres' son was finishing out his mission with his pres father because he had literally cracked under the pressure that his father had probably put on him along with the church pressure/blame culture that already pervaded.

Glad my son won't do that. Would rather he join the military as a rite of passage than a mission.

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Would rather he join the military as a rite of passage than a mission.


At least you wouldn't have to pay for him to serve in the military (you know what I mean), and he'd receive the Post-9/11 GI Bill when he returns home with honor.

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He displayed a graphic showing figures representing two missionaries next to a block of 100 figures representing houses. A house in the center was colored in blue, representing a household with one or more receptive contacts.

“Their goal is to find the person in the blue house,” he explained. “They have to knock on a lot of doors to find the person who lives in the blue house. We’re trying to figure out if there are quicker, more effective ways now — especially with the technology we have — to find those people and teach them the gospel.”
Now known as The Blue House initiative...

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“Their goal is to find the person in the blue house,” he explained. “They have to knock on a lot of doors to find the person who lives in the blue house. We’re trying to figure out if there are quicker, more effective ways now — especially with the technology we have — to find those people and teach them the gospel.”

Easy - to find the person who lives in the blue house, go to the blue house! (by the way, isn't that the job of the Holy Ghost - to direct the faithful missionaries to the blue house?) I mean, should that not be the quicker, more effective way?

If the HG knows which house has one or more receptive contacts, should he not tell the mishies to go to that house?

I have an idea - here's what the GAs and the Missionary department should do. It's a simple experiment that, according to church teachings, should be a resounding success.

Issue a directive to all members of the church (you know, the people who have the HG as their constant companion) that for a week (specific date range, not just any week) they are to:

1. refrain from bothering the HG with trivia, like help in finding lost keys
2. ask the HG instead to direct the mishies to blue houses

This directive could be given at the next General Conference, with the results to be published at the following General Conference.

The resulting upsurge in mishies finding houses with one or more receptive contacts should be astounding, startling, unprecedented, etc. (note to self: read a thesaurus more often)

Not only will this result in a bountiful harvest, but it will provide strong evidence that the HG really exists and is willing and able to help out with the work.

Of course, this will never be done. Why? Because the utter failure if the experiment would provide strong evidence that the HG really does not exist, and/or is not willing or able to help out with the work.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:54 pm 
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I always felt like missionary work was a huge sales initiative where these kids are going out and basically playing the odds. An example of this would be...For every 100 phone calls, you get 5 appointments. Out of the five appointments, you make 1 sale. You ask the sales customer for contact leads to begin the process all over again.

As Malkie mentioned in his post, would this law of average technique have to be used if they were “guided by the spirit”?

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