Peterson throws Adam & Eve under the bus....

[_RockSlider]

The jig is up.

Too funny, NL is introduced to the long debunked Watch Maker argument, presented by two bumbling novices and all of a sudden "the jig is up".

[_Nightlion]

The jig is up.

Too funny, Nightlion is introduced to the long debunked Watch Maker argument, presented by two bumbling novices and all of a sudden "the jig is up".

They only used the Watch Maker notion for a book title. The points made were direct and simple. You and the entire cadre of cultists have failed to make a point. How conflated and overwrought does it have to be? You got a point or don't you? All you guys do is say.....WE WIN.....WE WON. Will the cult call for a mass suicide when the leaders realize they are undone?

[_moksha]

I’m somewhat confused as to how people mix in evolution as the mechanism of creation, diminishing their creator to a tinkerer who caused tiny changes over long time periods. That seems like a very inefficient, dumb way to create.

As the saying goes, "Slow but steady wins the race". Most likely this process got started on the older planets over ten billion years ago.

Whether in an organic soup enabling strands of amino acids to form or in a single utterance during a past celestial day, the emergence of life is impressive.

[_Ceeboo]

Whether in an organic soup enabling strands of amino acids to form or in a single utterance during a past celestial day, the emergence of life is impressive.

Indeed!

Peace,
Ceeboo

[_Choyo Chagas]

Whether in an organic soup enabling strands of amino acids to form or in a single utterance during a past celestial day, the emergence of life is impressive.

Indeed!

Peace,
Ceeboo

and that soup can make whale out of raccoon...

god's ways are not our ways - didn't you forget ?
god's way is going for a camel to go through a needle's eye

Matt 19:24, Mark 10:25, Luke 18:25

whales... little things compared to raccoons...
..

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Purpose is only what you make it.

That is a "hard truth". If you choose to go that direction.

But if one chooses to believe in a creator/God, then meaningful purpose enters into the picture. And that hard truth of nihilism, which I think you're referring to, becomes less of a threat.

LOL! From your example here, I think you would enjoy my Mormonism and the Matrix thread.

[_mentalgymnast]

This is all fine and good...as far as it goes...but the problem I see with this is that it simply excises/cuts out any meaningful "purpose" from in the universe. Purpose is only what you make it.

I think MG is suggesting there is only one true "purpose", and that is to become like God. Purposes such as "learning to love", or "pursuing truth" could be nice but, but ultimately dissatisfying. But I could be wrong.

Purpose constructed/formulated by humans is just that. Whatever it might be. Hundreds, if not thousands, of directions you can go with this. However, if there is a creator/God then the universe itself has purpose inherent to its creation. And from the LDS perspective (believing that this plan/purpose has been revealed by God) the eventual and progressive evolution of sentient beings towards greater light and knowledge...and carrying that with them into an ongoing purposeful existence beyond the grave.

And sure, granted, this could be just one more 'anti' death wish/narrative from the perspective of those that don't see any evidence for or reason to believe in God.

The million dollar question is whether or not there is or isn't any purpose beyond that which we as humans construct/formulate from our own minds. I place my bet on the hope/thinking that there is.

Regards,
MG