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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:40 pm 
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Well. I found a really interesting document that might substantiate MSG Nibs' background regarding Camp Ritchie, being promoted to MSG, and why he might've felt entitled to offer his insights to a commander and why Commanders unanimously felt, according to this document, that these Intelligence specialists weren't trained properly and didn't understand the military way (which might explain why Nibs felt bitter about being ignored or not respected).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... T4o3Cdmzm-

I'll note, and eat some crow on this one, that the report, titled "The Military Intelligence Service in the European Theater of Operations", does in fact establish the existence of MIS Order of Battle teams, which do in fact consist of a MSG among its billets. The report states commanders thought intelligence specialists shouldn't be promoted to "such high ranks" as "they haven't earned it."

I'd strongly recommend the vets on this board read the doc since it's a fascinating peak inside how the Army was trying to utilize and organize talent, but couldn't figure out how to do it very well. Basically, nothing has changed since WWII.

Note: Order of Battle teams from the description are basically today's Intel Analysts, 35F, who work in G2 or S2 putting together the Intel piece or packets for consumption. So, I can see how an older, Ph.D., might think he sees the picture better than a Commander, and feel hot when he is ignored or his recommendation isn't green lit. I can also see a Ph.D. who wasn't acculturated through training, given too much freedom, and promoted to MSG too quickly, as the reports suggests happened, feel the need to exagerrate his service when he probably did jack and ____ on staff. I'm certain he felt disappointed in his experience since almost all of it was certainly mundane, a bit humiliating (doing enlisted tasks like cleaning a latrine), and, well, basically grunt work or manual labor.

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Dr. W,

Under the Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program you can come into the Army and be promoted to E-4 when you complete some mandatory trainjng, and in some cases, to E-5 with the CDR's approval (depending how your contract is written).

Aside from the fact that I served most of my career in Army Counterintelligence (I initially came in as an Electronic Warfare Equipment Operator, but moved over to CI) and thus read, studied, and became thoroughly educated in its history where, had a Ph.D. guy came in and became part of the CIC, AND been promoted to MSG right out of training, that would've made him such a legend everyone in CI would've known about him... ESPECIALLY if this legendary CI guy had done what Nibs did. He would've been immortalized here:

https://m.Facebook.com/IntelLibrary/

Never heard of the guy outside of Mormonism.

eta: I should add I'll be attempting to conact the US Intelligence and Security Command's MI History historian to see if we can't get any clarification on MSG Nibley's service.

eta2: I'm going to give the US Army's Intel Center's historian a call, too.

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Thanks, Doc.

I can see that an Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program could be valuable in an ever technology rich and computerized environment. E-4 or E-5 for someone with a skill in high demand and 4 or 5 years of relevant experience before joining up makes sense. For relatively short enlistment contracts, it makes sense to bring in pre-trained personnel. If they like it they might even stay.

Nothing like this existed when I was in.

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Ok, I got the book. I'll just add little posts here and there as they interest me. For example, I'm stopped on page x of thr intro to note that, "The two men who replaced him in the 101st died there in Bastogne."

Miracle #7

eta: Finished the Intro. The author admits a lot of HN's accounts contradict each other, or the details are inconsistent. Read into that what you will.

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Chapter 1.

Why in the ____ is the author contrasting HN to Hitler? This is just garbage narcissism:

"Hitler's impact on Nibley's life was extreme--it drew him into a war that changed his life forever. Nibley's impact on Hitler? It's hard to say."

:rolleyes:

pg. 5: Hitler brushes past Nibley. I ____ you not, at a crapper called, "Wolzerbest der Kaiser muss" "the place even the Kaiser must go".

:rolleyes:

eta: Omg. Pg. 6. The author again compares and contrasts the Nibster with Hitler. One is power hungry. The other is an intellectual giant.

Pg. 7. Melvin J. Ballard tells the missionaries Germany will be destroyed by fire.

:rolleyes:

eta2: The rest of Chapter 1 is an odd, kind of disturbing attempt to juxtapose a young Nibley with an evolving Hitler, a pastiche of Nibley's letters that are meant to demonstrate his evolving ideologies, and to demonstrate his intellectual prescience. We get it. Young Nibley was Great like Hitler, but, you know, different! And and and smart! Yeesh.

eta3: pg.26 Nibley claims to have dreamt of the sinking of the HMS Hood before it happened, AND he claims to have dreamt about the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the sinking of the USS Arizona. Before it happened.

Yup

eta4: pg. 30. Name drops Thomas Mann and Albert Einstein. Pulls a clear Petersonian move and hopes the listener will fill in the rest with favorable details

eta5: pg.33. Sees dead dude at foot of bed, goes to work and, well, he ded. Sure. Why the ____ not.

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Aside from the fact that I served most of my career in Army Counterintelligence


Apologies, Cam, I thought you were an mission president.


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Entertaining thread. Thanks to all.


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Chapter 2. Nibley enlists because he doesn't want to get screwed over in the draft. Seriously. It's in the book. Also, apparently the guy who took over for the ded guy didn't like Mormons. So, Nibs was in the crosshairs at Claremont and he gtfo.

Pg.39. Nibs, of course, is the best 1st-year ROTC ever. Top dawg. Won the highest honors. And then he 'rebelled' or was a nonconformist or something. Anyway. He didn't finish the 2nd year. I suspect he was a ____ bag because every last ____ bag I ever knew in the Army sounds just like Nibs. Delusions of grandeur, can't seem to get along with others because he's superior in some odd unspecified way.

Anyway. Despite his mother's counsel to go in as an Officer to "have a comfortable war," Nibs enlists because he was not welcome at Claremont and he couldn't make it through ROTC.

eta: Of course he did. pg. 43. He got the highest score they ever recorded on the enlistment aptitude test (he calls it the intelligence test). Of course.

And guess what? No ____ he was offered a job on Post to stay out of the war because the detail he was given, to empty garbage cans, resulted in the Sergeant in charge declaring Nibs was the best garbageman he'd ever seen.

Yup.

He opted, because the Army is big on giving Privates all sorts of choices dontcha know, to instead go to FL for Basic Training. That's where the Army Air branch insignia comes from. He went there to be a weatherman.

eta2: Holy ____ balls. The author, and presumably Nibs, compare and contrast military life in FL to the concentration camps. What. The. ____.

eta3: Claims an Officer made him spy on other Officers while they made phone calls because he knew shorthand. References Joseph Heller's Catch-22, which has no practical relevance to his experience in FL.

eta4: pg.52. Admits to plotting on getting out of the weather service. Ends up stationed in KY. Requested commission to Officer. Instead claims a 5-star selected him for the 'Adjutant General Branch' because he knew a bit of Arabic (the ____???). I don't know if AG back in the day oversaw Military Intelligence. I always thought it was G1 personnel business. I'm on my tablet and it's too bothersome to Google. Whatever.


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Chapter 3, Nibs fails out of the Interrogator course so he's re-classed to Order of Battle. He, of course, is absolutely the best... until he isn't. Odd how that keeps happening to the Nibster...

eta: pg.70. I guess he graduated and this is where he matter of factly states he was "made a Master Sergeant."


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eta4: pg.52. Admits to plotting on getting out of the weather service. Ends up stationed in KY. Requested commission to Officer. Instead claims a 5-star selected him for the 'Adjutant General Branch' because he knew a bit of Arabic (the ____???). I don't know if AG back in the day oversaw Military Intelligence. I always thought it was G1 personnel business. I'm on my tablet and it's too bothersome to Google. Whatever.

The first 5-Star was Leahy on 12/15/44. Must have been a future 5-Star. Eisenhower went overseas in 42. I’m sure that he attracted the interest of Marshall.


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Chapter 3, Nibs fails out of the Interrogator course so he's re-classed to Order of Battle. He, of course, is absolutely the best... until he isn't. Odd how that keeps happening to the Nibster...

eta: pg.70. I guess he graduated and this is where he matter of factly states he was "made a Master Sergeant."


Maybe he did like to dress up in Egyptian dress like his daughter said? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Well. I found a really interesting document that might substantiate MSG Nibs' background regarding Camp Ritchie, being promoted to MSG, and why he might've felt entitled to offer his insights to a commander and why Commanders unanimously felt, according to this document, that these Intelligence specialists weren't trained properly and didn't understand the military way (which might explain why Nibs felt bitter about being ignored or not respected).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... T4o3Cdmzm-

I'll note, and eat some crow on this one, that the report, titled "The Military Intelligence Service in the European Theater of Operations", does in fact establish the existence of MIS Order of Battle teams, which do in fact consist of a MSG among its billets. The report states commanders thought intelligence specialists shouldn't be promoted to "such high ranks" as "they haven't earned it."

I'd strongly recommend the vets on this board read the doc since it's a fascinating peak inside how the Army was trying to utilize and organize talent, but couldn't figure out how to do it very well. Basically, nothing has changed since WWII.

Note: Order of Battle teams from the description are basically today's Intel Analysts, 35F, who work in G2 or S2 putting together the Intel piece or packets for consumption. So, I can see how an older, Ph.D., might think he sees the picture better than a Commander, and feel hot when he is ignored or his recommendation isn't green lit. I can also see a Ph.D. who wasn't acculturated through training, given too much freedom, and promoted to MSG too quickly, as the reports suggests happened, feel the need to exagerrate his service when he probably did jack and ____ on staff. I'm certain he felt disappointed in his experience since almost all of it was certainly mundane, a bit humiliating (doing enlisted tasks like cleaning a latrine), and, well, basically grunt work or manual labor.

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it is true that order of battle specialists of which nibs was one were promoted to msgt after completing training and without any special merit or any battlefield unit experience-the document recommended this practice cease. the document also stated that specialists such as nibs never were assigned to the 101 st abn div but attached from a central intel agency, meaning nibs shoulder patch would not be the screaming eagle but the patch of the intel unit. nibs was not a member of the 101st airborne division. the order ob battle teams were composed of one officer, a nco msgt and technical specialist enlisted man. the document indicated that the OB team simply took info from other sources and mapped and reported enemy strength, dispositions etc. with a captain, officer in charge and reporting to a major or ltcolonel nibs role is unclear- how much he could do on his own seems to be a lot from his own perspective. fnally the units assigned these intel specialist had problems and issues with these specialists following chain of command and normal military procedures.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Well. I found a really interesting document that might substantiate MSG Nibs' background regarding Camp Ritchie, being promoted to MSG, and why he might've felt entitled to offer his insights to a commander and why Commanders unanimously felt, according to this document, that these Intelligence specialists weren't trained properly and didn't understand the military way (which might explain why Nibs felt bitter about being ignored or not respected).

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... T4o3Cdmzm-

I'll note, and eat some crow on this one, that the report, titled "The Military Intelligence Service in the European Theater of Operations", does in fact establish the existence of MIS Order of Battle teams, which do in fact consist of a MSG among its billets. The report states commanders thought intelligence specialists shouldn't be promoted to "such high ranks" as "they haven't earned it."

I'd strongly recommend the vets on this board read the doc since it's a fascinating peak inside how the Army was trying to utilize and organize talent, but couldn't figure out how to do it very well. Basically, nothing has changed since WWII.

Note: Order of Battle teams from the description are basically today's Intel Analysts, 35F, who work in G2 or S2 putting together the Intel piece or packets for consumption. So, I can see how an older, Ph.D., might think he sees the picture better than a Commander, and feel hot when he is ignored or his recommendation isn't green lit. I can also see a Ph.D. who wasn't acculturated through training, given too much freedom, and promoted to MSG too quickly, as the reports suggests happened, feel the need to exagerrate his service when he probably did jack and ____ on staff. I'm certain he felt disappointed in his experience since almost all of it was certainly mundane, a bit humiliating (doing enlisted tasks like cleaning a latrine), and, well, basically grunt work or manual labor.

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it is true that order of battle specialists of which nibs was one were promoted to msgt after completing training and without any special merit or any battlefield unit experience-the document recommended this practice cease. the document also stated that specialists such as nibs never were assigned to the 101 st abn div but attached from a central intel agency, meaning nibs shoulder patch would not be the screaming eagle but the patch of the intel unit. nibs was not a member of the 101st airborne division. the order ob battle teams were composed of one officer, a nco msgt and technical specialist enlisted man. the document indicated that the OB team simply took info from other sources and mapped and reported enemy strength, dispositions etc. with a captain, officer in charge and reporting to a major or ltcolonel nibs role is unclear- how much he could do on his own seems to be a lot from his own perspective. fnally the units assigned these intel specialist had problems and issues with these specialists following chain of command and normal military procedures.

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Thanks, kairos and Doc.

This would explain a lot. The problems noted with these specialists in terms of following military procedures and rules seem particularly relevant in the case of NH. When one considers that accuracy and verity of information is paramount in effective intelligence gathering, it seems as though a personality type more ill suited to the task than NH turned out to be would have been hard to find.

As an effective Mormon apologist, however, a personality like that of NH is probably ideal, and the best the Church could hope for at the time. "Lying for the Lord" personified.

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Yeah, I think I know what's going on with Nibs. I noticed it the first time I came out to Utah and visited my wife's grandfather. I can't really explain it any better than this, but Utah Mormons, at least from my generation working backward, really mythologized their patriarchs. For example, my wife's grandfather was just a dude who was a faithful Mormon, but his personality was really, really, really narcissistic. Like, the family wrote family books about him and his forefathers, their geneology, their lives, etc.. So, in doing so, they all act like this guy was the greatest thing since sliced ____ ing bread, but from my perspective he was just an asshole who thought a lot of himself. To this day my wife's family have a family Facebook page where they share such gems as:

Family Member X: "I remember when I was 16, and Don Johnson came up to me and said, "YOU KNOW WHY YOU'RE SO SPECIAL? BECAUSE YOU'RE A JOHNSON. DON'T YOU EVER FORGET THAT!"

Family Member X: And I never did! Remember, you're all Johnsons and descended from Don Johnson!

36 Johnsons Liked Family Member X's Post

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I mean, it's kind of cute that this family feels like they're special and something, I dunno, blessed and whatnot. But goddamn they're just like everyone else.

Anyway.

That's the Nibs. This book I'm reading could've been written by the Johnsons about Don Johnson.

eta: For example, pg.70.- "His training complete, and newly promoted to the rank of master sergeant, Nibley the scholar was on his way back to Europe to pit mental and physical strength against the massive empire and the apocalyptic war machine Hitler had built since the younger Hugh Nibley had last crossed paths with him in the restroom of a Bavarian beer hall."

I mean, give me a ____ ing break. All he did was map up order of battle ____ for the commander. That was literally his job, to plot squares and ____ on a map. Literally.

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Chapter 4- The Nibs develops a case of the ass for Officers.

pg.75. Nibs claims an Officer sentenced an enlisted man to 10 years hard labor because the enlisted man wouldn't let the officer into a tent to watch a move because the Officer didn't know the password.

Yep. 10 years.

pg. 77&78 he claims he helps a Ms. Crawford compile a book for the invasion of of Europe. He called it the 'invademecum' which he translated as "Invade with Me." There's an interesting footnote at the bottom of the page discussing that 'invademecum' is a play on 'vademecum' which is a traveller's pocket guide. From the description of his work one can extrapolate that he was just an administrative assistant, not an analyst.

Pg.80. Claims "only the top people go to OB."

Pg.83. Nibs let's it slip what he really did. His job was to guard a map in a tent. That actually sounds about right. He admits that he didn't really do anything and didn't feel like a participant in the war effort.

Pg.84. Complains about Officers again until General Maxwell shows up in his recollections. He loved that guy.

Pg.86. Claims that every Thursday night he had to give a two-hour lecture to the officers of the 101st on the German army and German warfare. He claims he gave the lectures about ancient wars and strategy and tactics. This is complete and utter horse ____. At best he was allowed to brief Officers on plotted positions of enemy troops in Normandy. That's it.

Pg.87. Claims to have watched Churchill relieve himself on the side of the road.

Pg.90. Claims to do spy work to gather intelligence so his team could present it to his Commander. Claims the Germans killed 500 men with submarines and torpedo boats while they practiced for the Normandy landing (Exercise Tiger).

Here's the wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Tiger#Casualties

Basically we killed ourselves because we're r____. This is probably what happened.

pg.94. Claims he predicted the war in Europe would end on May 7th, 1945.

Come the ____ on. What are we up to now? Miracle #9?

pg.98. Claims he waterproofed his jeep by affixing pipe to the carburetor that extended about two feet up past the windshield. The method was accurate for the time and place. I don't believe an Intel analyst did this to his Jeep. Maybe a mechanic or engineer did it, but I don't think he did it.

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Chapter 5 - The Inglorious Bastard

pg.100. Nibs claims a General Pratt took his '#2 Man' seat on the '#1 Glider'. He was tasked to take the General's Jeep to a farm behind Utah beach.

pg.104. Nibs claims to be on the lead ship in Operation Neptune. I don't really know what that means since there were hundreds (thousands?) of warships and something 7000 naval vessels all together.

pg.107. Claims to be first wave, first ashore. Also claims to have had a vision of ships going down when he was at Claremont. He claims his ship was THE lead ship, but then says he didn't know what wave he was, and then he stated he hung out on the deck bull ____ ting with the Chaplain for 1/2 an hour. In the middle of taking rounds and ships going down all around him. He just hangs out with the Chaplain bull ____ ting. K.

pg.109. While descending the cargo net into the landing craft he claims to have had a deep thought as to why elephants were mentioned in Ether, but not the rest of the Book of Mormon. Artillery is supposedly striking all around him. His ship is taking rounds. Ships are going down around him. He's being urgently told to get on the beach. And while climbing down the rope ladder he figured out the 'elephant problem' in the Book of Mormon. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You can't make this up. Oh. Wait. Yes you can.

Next he follows up with the miracle of just having avoided being obliterated by "German 88's". Miracle #10. Chaplain, though. Not so lucky. He's wounded. Dirty gentile.

He climbs into the Jeep, starts her up, it's loaded down with sand bags because "we couldn't afford to float around" in the water.

The dude thought his Jeep full of men and gear would "float around".

Note: I'd have to type out the entirety of the Chapter 5 for you to understand just how ridiculous and inane his stories are. For example on pg.119 he claims he was put in charge of setting up a perimeter around this farmhouse he and some men were at because he was the ranking noncom. Ok. Then on pg.120 he claims he dug a fighting position, put some corrugated iron over his foxhole and put dirt on top of it. He claims he never did that before (whatever that means), but because he did that night he survived a German assault where they dropped 'butterfly bombs', and in the morning the corrugated iron covering looked like a porcupine with all the shrapnel embedded in it.

Yeah.

He claims he was in a small arms exchange, so heavy that the leaves and branches in the trees above him were showering down on him. He claims to have just fired his weapon blind because the smoke or fog was so thick he wasn't sure what he was firing at. But, hey, he pulled the trigger, right? He claims he was taught to overwhelm the enemy with fire power and hope you don't hit any friendlies.

Yeah. That's in there.


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Chapter 5 cont'd..

pg.122. Claims his Jeep is destroyed by landmines airdropped from a German plane.

pg.124. Claims he was "holding onto the farmhouse by the skin of our teeth" and a student of his from Claremont who had become a Navy Officer made it through, they hugged it out, and he called in artillery FROM THE SEA TO THE GERMAN POSITIONS THAT WERE ASSAULTING HIS FARMHOUSE. Yeah.

- General Taylor's tent was a few yards from his. He acted as an interpreter for the General, including for Russian prisoners. So, I guess the Nibs was fluent in Russian, too. :rolleyes:

- The General tasked Nibs to wave a white flag, infiltrate German lines, and invite the German commander over for tea. Apparently that plan was called off moments before he departed.

- A friend of his on a top secret mission was unknowingly urinated on by German.

- Had another dream about some tanks crossing a field while he was in a fire fight. Just so happened a reporter from the Stars and Stripes was in the foxhole next to him. He tells the reporter tanks will and appear and, well, there you go. They appeared.

- Another story about a miraculous shot. TL;DR - Their tank down to last shell. Fires 1 in a million shot on lead German tank. Tank blows up. Day saved.

The whole chapter is filled with these kinds of horse ____ stories. It's ____ ing ridiculous.

Oddly enough you get a little slip up and the truth trickles out:

pg.137. "Throughout the Battle of Normandy I was always observing without participating." He also, on this page, claims to have been taken out of battle "... flown back to England to give a broadcast over BBC on the psychology of the German army, and then I was flown back to division again."

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


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Ok. You know what? I'm out. I'm skimming through the rest of the book right now and it's just full of this horse ____. It's utter fabrication.

To draw a parallel, this would be akin to me telling tall tales to my daughters about my service in the Army. I could mend together reality with fantasy and to, I guess, the civilian ear it might sound plausible because they wouldn't know any better. I could give you dates and places of my deployments to Iraq, and then just embellish whatever I want. I could add or subtract characters from my stories. I could add to mundane events. I could make it all sound relatively plausible to the non-military type.* Basically I could be a fisherman and tell you about the big one that got away, but to other fishermen, when you start to ____ up the details about your gear, the ship, the weather, the kinds of fish, your locations, the dates, etc... it all starts to fall apart pretty quickly.

*I recall a long time ago on the old exmo-social board there was this dude from the Utah Natty Guard claiming to have PTSD from combat. He claimed to have killed some Iraqis in combat, but he ____ up when he described the combatants being blown backward by the 5.56mm rounds. It was just such a bull ____ story, but for some reason everyone believed him until some of us picked him apart. Once we described what happens to a person when hit by 5.56mm rounds it was apparent he was just wanting some attention. I believe he stopped posting after that because he was outed. Whatever.

Ok. This is what I'm talking about. I just rando opened this tard book to page 256. Literally just flipped this stupid ____ open and there's a story where he and his buddies are in Heidelberg looking for a 'frat house' for noncoms, a guy in a powdered wig in full dress livery--everything but the powdered wig--- opens the doors and proceeds to tell them a tale about Standard Oil hiding records in the house, and the Nibs goes on and on about some Standard Oil conspiracy of his (I guess he had some Standard Oil conspiracy theories, and, welp, this one was one of them).

Ugh. I'm so over this.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:10 pm 
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It makes biographies interesting to drop historical names. Personally, I would have been intrigued by Hugh Nibley mentioning F. Scott Fitzgerald, but I would have been delighted if he mentioned seeing Jay Gatsby and Daisy Buchanan during a Sacrament Meeting in Reims.

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Ok. You know what? I'm out. I'm skimming through the rest of the book right now and it's just full of this horse ____. It's utter fabrication.


Did you come across anything like this that I read on another blog?

The guys who prepared the gliders were gathered around drunk and laughing as the planes took off, for they were jealous that they were being left behind and wouldn’t get the chance to be heroes.

In their drunken jealousy, they had deliberately sabotaged some of the gliders, causing them to fall apart in mid-air, resulting in the deaths of many 101st Airborne paratroopers.


That one really torqued me if he said it. Accusing mechanics of sabotage because of jealousy for not getting the chance to be heroes is outrageous. Just wondering if that is in the book.

There was one case of suspected sabotage but not attributed to drunk military mechanics and the investigation found no sabatoge.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:21 am 
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I dunno. Let me check the Book of Tales...

eta: Yep. pgs 286 & 287:

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They talked about how they were supposed to assemble the gliders and how they were laughing their heads off. One of them said, "We were as drunk as lords! We did such a sloppy job; we didn't put all the pins on!" And they laughed like it was the biggest joke in the world. "We were having fun! We left out half the pins in the darn things!" They didn't know I'd been in one of those gliders. So that's why so many of them had fallen. Dozens of gliders had just fallen out of the sky because they weren't completely put together because the people who assembled them were drunk.


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Since I have this crap book open and I'm thumbing through Forrest Nibley's tales:

pg. 194:

One time I was walking through the woods and walked right through the middle of a German battalion. I was going down to visit a historic village of some sort or other, and here this German outfit comes along, walking down the road and infiltrating through the woods. So I just lay low and let them pass by in the woods, and that was there was to it. But they could very easily have seen me. One Dutchman, a mean old farmer, wouldn't let us in his barn, so we let him have it to himself, and it blew up. You saw lives ending all around you, and you always knew your own life could abruptly end too. One night a British tank came in and parked all night on my foxhole so I couldn't get out; I was trapped under it. The regular first sergeant of the Headquarters Company of the 101st, Zilske, used to say, "Everything happens to Nibley, and nothing ever happens to him."

He has a longer entry about going to Paris to visit a Grand Duchess, observing a parade of North Africans, and so on and so forth. I just don't have the energy to transcribe all of this nonsense..

Apparently the Nibs was free to roam at will with no oversight. The All-Star analyst got to tour wartime Europe, rub elbows with royalty (he name drops virtually all of the known royalty in Europe throughout the book), and oddly enough has a real hard-on for the Officers. He claims at one point that they stole half his money when he was getting out. Weird.

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