Even Earlier Mormon Documents, by Dan Vogel (?)

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Even Earlier Mormon Documents, by Dan Vogel (?)

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While looking for some out-of-print books by the indomitable Dan Vogel, a found a very interesting book on page two of my Amazon search (see here). How to Win with Women, by Dan Vogel, was published in 1983 and therefore predates by three years what I had thought was Vogel's earliest work. According to the Amazon blurb, How to Win with Women...

...offers advice for men on developing an appealing image, meeting women, making interesting conversation with women, and developing a lasting relationship


This is clearly one of Vogel's more sought out books. One copy is going for over $500. The cheapest hardcover, in case you're reading this Droopy, goes for nearly $150, but even that copy is a "Well-loved and read copy. Heavy wear to the cover and binding. Pages have marginal notes, underlining, highlighting, and dog eared." If the book got that much love, something tells me all that laborious study didn't pay off.

Putting on my critical hat, I am going to say that our Dan Vogel cannot be the author of this, since he would have to have written it in high school, and nobody who wrote "Indian Origins and the Book of Mormon" in college could possibly have written an experience-based book like this while in high school. Amazon has blundered again, as they so often do in their rare and out-of-print entries.

Putting on my philological hat, though, I can say with certainty that, while Dan Vogel isn't the author, he must have been the editor of this work. For one thing, editing a manuscript is something I can easily imagine Dan Vogel doing in high school. That means it is likely a very early Mormon document, and there is an important clue that How to Win with Women is a lost manuscript of Joseph Smith's (dictated to Heber Kimball, no doubt). The clue is the emphasis on "lasting relationship," which must mean eternal marriage—is there any romance that could be more long lasting?

So, I'm wondering, Dan, will there be a new critical edition of this work with its original title ("Melchizedek Priesthood Manual for 1842"), complete with historical commentary? I'm sure Droopy will be looking forward to it.
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Perhaps it only appears to be about women, and with the proper hat and piece of rock.... :eek:
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I met him around that time and he wrote it. I believe he was finishing his degree at Cal State Long Beach at the time and working on Indian Origins. I haven't read it but I'm sure there are some mound builder myths worked in to the book somewhere.
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The hilarity keeps building! Consul, we are all going to end up convalescing in hospitals if you keep this up!
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I have a sneaking suspicion that there's too much tongue in cheek to this for me to get what is being said, but according to his Wikipedia page Dan Vogel was born in '55. He was well out of high school in '83. But it also does not mention this book as one of his publications...so there's that.
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Hey, Dean Koontz started out writing porn. Just sayin'.
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Sorry to burst all of your bubbles, but I have it from the horse's mouth, it ain't him. According to Dan, women are still a complete mystery to him...
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grindael wrote:Sorry to burst all of your bubbles, but I have it from the horse's mouth, it ain't him. According to Dan, women are still a complete mystery to him...


Thanks for the clarification, Grindael.
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