Shulem: what was the significance of the EAG?

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I have heard much about what the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar was, how it was used, who created it. What is your take?
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I would love to hear Paul’s opinion about EAG as well. He used to have a really cool Egyptian Studies website. I’m not sure if it still exists or not.

Paul, can you share the link with us if it does?

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Jesse Pinkman wrote:I would love to hear Paul’s opinion about EAG as well. He used to have a really cool Egyptian Studies website. I’m not sure if it still exists or not.

Paul, can you share the link with us if it does?

Oh, and Mak, glad to have you back. :wink:


I agree with everything you said. Paul is a treasure. He has taught me lot over the years. I would love a refresher course.
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Jesse Pinkman wrote:I would love to hear Paul’s opinion about EAG as well. He used to have a really cool Egyptian Studies website. I’m not sure if it still exists or not.

Paul, can you share the link with us if it does?

Oh, and Mak, glad to have you back. :wink:


Thanks. :smile:
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Maksutov wrote:I have heard much about what the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar was, how it was used, who created it. What is your take?


It's a hefty subject and I spent many years involved in studying it as a faithful LDS apologist. My original Book of Abraham apologetic website is archived here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071007092449fw_/http://www.myegyptology.net:80/file/id3.htm

Click there and scroll down just a little until you get to Contents and click on the the title Grammar & Alphabet of the Egyptian Language and it will take you further down the page to several other titles that contain links and a wealth of information.

In a nutshell, the EAG was created and used by Joseph Smith to produce the Book of Abraham and develop what he claimed was the key to understanding the ancient story of Abraham and astronomy as practiced by the ancients.
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Shulem wrote:
Maksutov wrote:I have heard much about what the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar was, how it was used, who created it. What is your take?


It's a hefty subject and I spent many years involved in studying it as a faithful LDS apologist. My original Book of Abraham apologetic website is archived here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20071007092449fw_/http://www.myegyptology.net:80/file/id3.htm

Click there and scroll down just a little until you get to Contents and click on the the title Grammar & Alphabet of the Egyptian Language and it will take you further down the page to several other titles that contain links and a wealth of information.

In a nutshell, the EAG was created and used by Joseph Smith to produce the Book of Abraham and develop what he claimed was the key to understanding the ancient story of Abraham and astronomy as practiced by the ancients.


So the EAG is some sort of record of the translation process, character by character, while compiling an "alphabet and grammar". But was that translation done using a peepstone or simply by Smith's sort of channeling/"translating" from his own head?

Weren't others also involved in part of the translation?
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Maksutov wrote:
So the EAG is some sort of record of the translation process, character by character. But was that translation done using a peepstone or simply by Smith's sort of channeling/"translating" from his own head?


Probably both. Joseph loved to peep in stones and dictate things. He loved to have scribes at his beckon call who were in tune with his vibrations and spiritual occult incantations.

Joseph Smith was extremely charismatic.
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Shulem wrote:
Maksutov wrote:
So the EAG is some sort of record of the translation process, character by character. But was that translation done using a peepstone or simply by Smith's sort of channeling/"translating" from his own head?


Probably both. Joseph loved to peep in stones and dictate things. He loved to have scribes at his beckon call who were in tune with his vibrations and spiritual occult incantations.

Joseph Smith was extremely charismatic.


Do you know what role Cowdery played? Was his "gift of the rod/Aaron" ever used in translations? I also wondered why Smith said he had a gift unless he had successfully demonstrated it somehow somewhere sometime.
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Maksutov wrote:
Do you know what role Cowdery played? Was his "gift of the rod/Aaron" ever used in translations? I also wondered why Smith said he had a gift unless he had successfully demonstrated it somehow somewhere sometime.


He was the second elder of the church, the No. 2 guy and was Joseph Smith's right hand man for a time. Nonetheless, elder Cowdery was Joseph's pawn and subject to his authority. Cowdery was very good at expressing things he learned from Joseph Smith regarding the papyrus as so colorfully detailed in the Messenger & Advocate. He was Smith's advertising manager, not a rod of Aaron.
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I always saw the EAG as another smoking gun. How do the apologists get around it?
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