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 Post subject: Re: DCP's ongoing problem with plagiarism
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 2:56 pm 
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from the links Tom gave:
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Several paragraphs in that column erroneously failed to use quotation marks to properly attribute their source as an article written for the New York Times by Adam Grant. Grant's article was directly referenced at the opening and close of the Eyres' column.

So, even though the Grant article was referenced at the beginning and end of the column, the Deseret News considers that the lack of quotation marks within the column indicated a failure to properly attribute the source.

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The Deseret News demands accuracy in attribution and sourcing. We require our columnists to submit articles that are original and accurate in content and style. The Eyres have acknowledged the seriousness of this error and have assured us this was an inadvertent oversight.

Inadvertent, in that unlike Peterson's approach, after the plagiarism was noticed, the plagiarism didn't happen again and again and again?
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Given the seriousness of this mistake we have taken the following steps. We have removed the column from DeseretNews.com. The Deseret News and the Eyres have formally apologized to the New York Times and Mr. Grant. Finally, we are conducting further review of this incident and our processes.

We offer sincere apologies to both The New York Times and Mr. Grant.
So the seriousness of the mistake requires 1) the column being removed, 2) a formal apology to the plagiarized author and their publisher, and 3) further review.

Clearly Peterson doesn't deal with reports of his own plagiarism this professionally, but one would assume that his columns in the Deseret News surely must be held to their standard.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:30 pm 
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I would say contacting Deseret News would be in order here concerning the plagiarizing of Peterson in relation to how they handled the Eyres. Maybe they could show they are serious across the board about the infractions of plagiarizing over and over again.....

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:01 pm 
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I would say contacting Deseret News would be in order here concerning the plagiarizing of Peterson in relation to how they handled the Eyres. Maybe they could show they are serious across the board about the infractions of plagiarizing over and over again.....


Agreed. It has been shown over and over again that Daniel C. Peterson is incapable of not plagarizing. It's like plagarizing is heroin and DCP is the addict.

Someone needs to step in and help save him from himself. It's time for an intervention.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 4:16 pm 
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As far as I know, the BYU faculty are all playing mumblty peg. Everybody Wang Chung, has any BYU faculty member told you that he is watching to see if Peterson is going to self report?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:35 pm 
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I think that Everybody Wang Chung's thread 2+ years ago and this recent post of Lemmie's and the posters on those threads have been very charitable to the plagiarizer in question. No one has denied him the "opportunity" to clean up his own mess. It is his mess it is his responsibility to clean it up. DCPasterson has been given a gift for having this issue reported to him first, a gift of charity from the board full of posters he hates the most.

DCPasterson's conduct is lazy, lazy when he wrote it, too lazy to clean it up. His conduct start to finish is not the conduct of a professional. His ego is so big he can't see around it and CTR.

I don't think the plagiarizer deserves anymore favors nor does the DN or BYU or the Mormon church. I hope this gets reported and makes it to a real news outlet.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 10:41 pm 
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As a recent nursing school grad, I can tell you that my intentions would mean nothing to a university if I were to do what DCP has done. Even if it were my first mistake, I would at the least fail the course and be placed on a type of probation. If I had done it as many times as documented here, I would be removed and banned from the institution.

Professors are the ones that are supposed to teach people not to make these mistakes and catch them when they do.

Why should we hold them to a lower standard?

A professor that is incapable of avoiding plagiarism has no place in academia. Whether intentional or not, DCP has shown himself unworthy of the credentials he has on paper.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:43 am 
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I found amusement in the following disclaimer on the latest “Defending The Faith” article...

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Daniel Peterson founded BYU's Middle Eastern Texts Initiative, chairs The Interpreter Foundation and blogs on Patheos. William Hamblin is the author of several books on premodern history. They speak only for themselves.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/865 ... nesis.html

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:55 am 
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This is interesting:

https://www.imediaethics.org/fooled-twi ... -software/

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Fooled twice, Deseret News gets Plagiarism Detection software

by Sydney Smith July 03, 2014 05:00 AM EST

TAGS: DESERET NEWS, PLAGIARISM, U.S. SUBMIT A TIP

The Deseret News has started using plagiarism detecting software PlagScan to help the paper make sure it doesn’t publish plagiarized material, Utah’s City Weekly reported.

The Deseret News is a Utah daily newspaper that is owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

PlagScan describes itself as “an entirely browser-based web service” that scans content for plagiarism.

The Deseret News website editor Burke Olsen told Utah’s City Weekly

“We’ve tested a few different solutions in an effort to help our editors evaluate content…PlagScan is the best solution we’ve found so far for a newsroom setting. It’s not a silver bullet, but it’s another way we’re using technology to innovate and improve.”

The News had two noteworthy cases of plagiarism in 2013, as iMediaEthics previously reported.

iMediaEthics alerted the Deseret News to a problematic article by a summer intern. The Deseret News quickly rewrote the article and added an editor’s note that acknowledged it “failed to properly attribute all source materials.”

The News ended up finding 40 articles written by the intern that contained improper attribution. The intern told iMediaEthics he didn’t know proper attribution standards.

Also in 2013, the Deseret News unpublished a column written by a husband and wife team that lifted substantially from the New York Times. One of the columnists told iMediaEthics he “stupidly forgot” to add in attribution.

In total, The Deseret News found six articles by those columnists with problems and suspended them for a month.

iMediaEthics has written to the Deseret News’ Chris Higbee to ask why the newspaper chose PlagScan and if all articles will be scanned for plagiarism moving forward. We’ll update with any additional information.


This begs the question as to whose articles are getting scanned and why is Daniel C. Peterson's articles at the DN not? Because those articles are rife with non-attributed material.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:44 pm 
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How do you accidentally, on numerous occasions, take passages from works you read, edit them by eliminating and rearranging clauses, replacing words with others similar in meaning, and adding embellishments, then pass them off in your own writing without attribution?

How do you propose that works as a matter of unintentional accident? Mind you, this isn't not knowing what plagiarism is. This is a college professor we are talking about.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:50 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
How do you accidentally, on numerous occasions, take passages from works you read, edit them by eliminating and rearranging clauses, replacing words with others similar in meaning, and adding embellishments, then pass them off in your own writing without attribution.

How do you propose that works as a matter of unintentional accident? Mind you, this isn't accidentally not knowing what plagiarism is. This is a college professor we are talking about.


Just to drive the point home a bit further, if you take this article:

https://rsc.BYU.edu/archived/historicit ... -inerrancy

written by Mr. Peterson and give it a nice once or twice over you'll notice that he's acutely aware of quoting others, giving attribution to others, referencing, and sourcing his, uh, sources.

This is not a man who has 'whoopsie' moments that spans dozens hundreds and hundreds of publications, at least a couple of decades, and who understands the rules within his given industries.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:27 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:40 pm 
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Would the argument that it is not plagiarism since everything Dr. Peterson has written was in the service of the Lord fly with an academic review committee at BYU?

If you can lie for the Lord, couldn't you also plagiarize for the Lord?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Lemmie wrote:

Here's how Peterson self-reports:
DCP, 1.6.18, wrote:
By the way:  I’ve been ridiculed, of late, for my embarrassing scientific ignorance and for my invariable dependence, in my blog entries regarding science, on a comical assortment of flakes, charlatans, and pseudo-scientists.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... arbon.html
[bolding added.]

Does that qualify as an apology for his repeated, ongoing, uncorrected plagiarism?

Lemmie,

Thanks for the link to the DCP 01/06/2018 blog entry. In it, he defends himself by mentioning a short list of bona fide scientists to whom he has referred. (Par for the course and pretty much the best defense he could muster.)

In slogging through his 2017 blog posts in order to provide specific instances of his reliance on religionists and the anti-science crowd to interpret science for him, I note that he depends a great deal on link and run blog posting - especially when it comes to science.

This rather lackadaisical posting style is severely frowned upon by our esteemed Dr. Shades and is therefore considered bad form here. For DCP, however, it is often a work product.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:40 am 
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Would the argument that it is not plagiarism since everything Dr. Peterson has written was in the service of the Lord fly with an academic review committee at BYU?

If you can lie for the Lord, couldn't you also plagiarize for the Lord?

A quick Google search turned up no direct challenge to the validity of plagiarizing for the Lord, since bearing false witness is not applicable. The Melania Trump Foundation might even submit an Amicus Curiae brief on this point.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:25 am 
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Whether it is intentional or unintentional plagiarizism one thing is for sure Pasterson has developed some very sloppy habits. Sloppy habits that reflect poorly on himself, his associates, his students, DN, BYU, and his church. He owns the problem and everything and everyone associated with him owns his problem and the consequences.

This situation is simply pathetic and inexcusable.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:40 pm 
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Immature bloggers imitate; mature bloggers steal. - Dr. Daniel C. Peterson, probably.


I was proud of this joke that didn't land.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:48 pm 
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EAllusion wrote:
EAllusion wrote:
Immature bloggers imitate; mature bloggers steal. - Dr. Daniel C. Peterson, probably.

I was proud of this joke that didn't land.

I don’t think silence is evidence of joke fail. I’m sure you got a few IRL chuckles.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 8:26 pm 
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Holy Ham-n-cheese!

Just noticed this thread has almost 9,000 views!

Lurking?


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Holy Ham-n-cheese!

Just noticed this thread has almost 9,000 views!

Lurking?


Probably a quarter of the views are Pasterson checking up on us. I doubt any are from the paid apologists, DN, BYU, SCMC, or the denizens of the Holy of Holies because they don't seem to care that Pasterson is poking his finger into the heart of their integrity.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:22 pm 
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Dr. Shades wrote:
[MODERATOR NOTE: The deed is done; the topic has been split. The new thread containing all off-topic posts is here. Please post any commentary other than documentation of plagiarism there, not in this thread.

I admit that some ostensibly on-topic posts were moved into that thread as well, but those were to preserve the integrity and "flow" of the discussion. Any posts containing documentation are still in this
thread.

Lemmie, if there are some posts that you judge should be there instead of here and vice-versa, please let me know.

TL;DR: All done!!]

Thank you so much, Dr. Shades. Wow, what a project; a 28-page sprawl now down to just 9 pages!! You are the Superman of Moderators, to be sure!

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