We have the smoothest liars in the world - B. Young

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Re: We have the smoothest liars in the world - B. Young

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SteelHead wrote:And the new essay that says the contrary on lds.org?


PR. What else?
And to be clear the essay doesn't say contrary. They claim that we have no doctrine to back it up.
But unless they consider the 1978 revelation to be a rebuke for man made policies (which doesn't fit with the narrative surrounding it) then it must be revoking an earlier revelation and fulfilling prophecy.
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So to paraphrase what you said - the church is being intentionally misleading in order to have greater public reception?
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You are both saying the Church "lies" when they withhold information or tell partial truth. I am agreeing with you. You say this goes against basic Church teachings. I am agreeing with you and explaining one possible way that is justified using scriptural examples as principles. You are free to reject that justification in favor of assuming the worst possible motivations.

Considering you both believe all of Mormonism is a lie (fraud) I'm not sure why you focus on any particulars lies you encounter. Most people don't waste time on any particular lies once they've labeled someone a liar. Kind of like bailing water on the Titanic.


Right. You are going to believe this repulsive BS no matter what we say or you wouldn't be defending it (Cause that is what you are doing). You know, I get that. But I'm still going to point out it is repulsive BS as long as you keep defending it and that your defense is ridiculous and repulsive as well.
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SteelHead wrote:So to paraphrase what you said - the church is being intentionally misleading in order to have greater public reception?


Yes.
Despite Brigham Young's warning not to do that.
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grindael wrote:Right. You are going to believe this repulsive BS no matter what we say or you wouldn't be defending it (Cause that is what you are doing). You know, I get that. But I'm still going to point out it is repulsive ____ as long as you keep defending it and that your defense is ridiculous and repulsive as well.


You are always welcome to disagree. But just because you find something repulsive or ridiculous doesn't mean everyone is going to agree with you either. I find nothing repulsive in the gospel, and as for ridiculous...some of the most ridiculous teachings are my favorite.
I especially love the one about the carpenter who walked on water and came back from the dead.
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I like the ridiculous stories as well. One of my favorites is when Joe and the bros took a cinnamon whiskey bath together and washed each other's bodies.

And to think, the church won't baptize the kids of gay parents. Go figure.
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JLHPROF wrote:
grindael wrote:Right. You are going to believe this repulsive BS no matter what we say or you wouldn't be defending it (Cause that is what you are doing). You know, I get that. But I'm still going to point out it is repulsive ____ as long as you keep defending it and that your defense is ridiculous and repulsive as well.


You are always welcome to disagree. But just because you find something repulsive or ridiculous doesn't mean everyone is going to agree with you either. I find nothing repulsive in the gospel, and as for ridiculous...some of the most ridiculous teachings are my favorite.
I especially love the one about the carpenter who walked on water and came back from the dead.


Nice try at diversion. There is a world of difference between someone who says he saw Jesus do that and DIED FOR IT, and someone who is just an average run of the mill hypocrite. Peter did later deny knowing him, but he repented, something you will never see from Mormon "authorities". They will just continue to lie. But by all means, keep spinning. And I'm not trying to get anyone to agree with me. I'm only giving my opinion. Funny you should see it that way. And my oh my, here you go claiming the "gospel" is what I'm talking about. It isn't. It is the hypocritical men that are at the head of your church, and the ones who pervert it, starting with Joseph Smith.
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JLHPROF wrote:
SteelHead wrote:So to paraphrase what you said - the church is being intentionally misleading in order to have greater public reception?


Yes.
Despite Brigham Young's warning not to do that.


So while the church asks you if you are honest with your fellow men, you are ok with the church lying..... ?

How does one discern then when something promoted as doctrine is a lie, and when it isn't?
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SteelHead wrote:How does one discern then when something promoted as doctrine is a lie, and when it isn't?


Discernment is no longer needed when you have the Elder Dodo Hollowheads of the church making up scenarios to cover up for all the doctrinal lies.

I will choose a Steelhead over a Hollowhead every time.
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Tator wrote:
SteelHead wrote:How does one discern then when something promoted as doctrine is a lie, and when it isn't?


Discernment is no longer needed when you have the Elder Dodo Hollowheads of the church making up scenarios to cover up for all the doctrinal lies.

I will choose a Steelhead over a Hollowhead every time.

Yes, since the Dodo has now discredited the HG promptings as unreliable--after all, Holland and his son wanted a directive to take the correct road not the 400 yard dead end--all LDS have now is blind obedience to try to counter the use of reason and logic.
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