Translation of CARACTORS and KINDERHOOK + similar materials

[_Chap]

May I humbly suggest to ELYSAB that instead of continuing to make long posts here - which no-one appears to be reading, because no-one ever responds - he needs to start a blog?

See here for suggestions as to how to do this.

Or, if it is easier:

Come Creare Un Blog.

That way he could put all his writings together and refer people to them when he wants to. It is simply a waste of time posting them here, where they will simply get lost as each topic slips off the bottom of the page.

Now, I can't be more helpful than that, can I?

[_ELYSAB]

Thank you, very much, Mr. Big Fry.
I am involved with computers since 1971 and then I was a PROFESSOR. And graduated programmer of many languages then available and Analist of System by IBM-University partnership. Thus it is a "LONG MARCH" of 40 years in the environment of informatics.

For sure I have "hundreds" of sites, of several types, generated along this period. Some are only for didactic purpose (academics, thesis, papers for publishing/congress, etc.). Others are for having fun/family. Others are for research and for sharing information. When we are trying to spread some information, as when we write an article (as are so many scientific articles...) or one book, we are not worried about how many persons will read the material we are preparing for them. It is not a matter of "quantity", but of "quality". Maybe just one or two persons will benefit from our ideas and from them the idea may sprout and may spread and growth. That is enough. Imagine the power of ideas from few scientists, as Darwin and Galileo Galilei and Copernico.

Sometimes the effect is not immediate, but it will take time to provide some effect. That is the reason and joy for stay teaching. Quite like preparing a fertile and ready soil to receive a good seed, a good idea. Maybe you are not to see them sprout and harvest the fruits. But even so, you go ahead and do your job because you know it is the righteous job you have to offer. To share your knowledge and help the true progress march on, march ahead. Quite like with your little contribution.

Don't think in glory of having the greatest site in web and with plenty of people visiting it. What about buying a "porn" one? Some want to get glory and being known, pay whatever price is charged.

I think it is not a shame to remain as some small and despised group/topic, with a not attractive message, maybe difficult to understand, with very few visitors, but as if with the opportunity to offer some ideas and suggestions for us evaluate and discuss about.

It is better to stay surrounded by so many active people than in so perfect blog, as if the land of "nowhere" to talk with "nobody". Thus spreading to nobody "wisdom and knowledge". Like "Nowhere Man" in "Yellow Submarine". Better is he being invited to come on board to live in Pepperland, conquering it and restoring it. To become free of evil BlueMeanes. Thus spreading his teaching of wisdom to "everybody".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQWh2XTYZfg

OK, let's come on board to participate, enjoy (even some mistakes and silly things, as were Beatles' songs for Mr. NowhereMAN). Then you leave.

Best personal regards, sincerely yours,

[_Chap]

It is of course up to you to decide whether you are wasting your time here or not.

But if I was you I would at least want some evidence that someone was reading my posts - Nightlion has no believers here that I know of, but at least he gets that.

Nevertheless, there are worse things to do than spending your time trying to propagate what you think is true.

[_Nightlion]

It is of course up to you to decide whether you are wasting your time here or not.

But if I was you I would at least want some evidence that someone was reading my posts - Nightlion has no believers here that I know of, but at least he gets that.

Nevertheless, there are worse things to do than spending your time trying to propagate what you think is true.

I saw that. You must be right. Hell, Darricks fat women thread gets more attention than my Apocalrock. A prophet can see the truth of things in every lower kingdom than the one he abides in. Like Christ knew Nathaniel's heart because Christ kept his mind always in his Father's kingdom and was not of this world. Hence all things of a lower kingdom are manifest, if he wants to know them. Conversely, when the world keeps their minds in sin and degradation and under the bondage of Satan, they are captive in a lower kingdom than even this present world and are forever blind to the truth of this world even. Sad, don't you think?

And this is why no one can believe the truth and why they do not believe me. They are all blind.

See there. I laid that out plainly with no gobbely gook and everyone knows the scriptures that this rationale is based upon. So you must believe it and be converted from your blindness. It shall take some time. Allow it to distill.

[_ELYSAB]

Quite attractive is your APOCALrock. It would be better if painted with GOLD (in fact it would become much more appealing if covered with a thin sheet of true Gold metal... because people loves "gold" shining things, even if they are put on very top of very tall things, like on your APOCALrock...). It is interesting that God didn't cover Mountain SINAI with a thin sheet of Gold, before appearing there to stay there for so many days, as if His home... While Aaron was spending so scarce gold to make the false god to foolish Israelites...

Gold plates were removed from 10 tribes to avoid people worship them as they did in Aaron's days: the calf... And now they give value and pride to thing that came typically from pagan Sabelli's and Savelli's popes, not from original Christian (statues)... Even for Aaron it was easy to adopt statue and pagan practices: shining gold!

Thus it was safer to remove gold plates from among "Aaron's people"...

May I humbly suggest to ELYSAB that instead of continuing to make long posts here - which no-one appears to be reading, because no-one ever responds - he needs to start a blog?

There is quite large number of visitors: maybe they read something of the posted material and maybe they learn some of the message.

I have been University Professor since 1968. Not always they make questions. Some do that in private. Some may understand the lecture and just "reason". Others try to reason at home, going to the site of the class and of other didactic support material. And also consult other colleagues. Some may be ashamed in making questions about things about others understood (and would laugh of them).

Now we have a little of "LYRICS" from Elliott Smith (deceased).

http://www.sing365.com/music/Lyric.nsf/i-better-be-quiet-now-lyrics-Elliott-Smith/1D00AE46AEB22541482568AB0018185E

I Better Be Quiet Now

-.-.-.
But I better be quiet now
I'm tired of wasting my breath
Carrying on, and getting upset
Maybe I got a problem
But that's not what I wanted to say
I'd prefer to say nothing
-.-.-.-

[_ELYSAB]

There is a language that became extinct when LATIN language was created and IMPOSED as result of a POLITICAL DECISION by the rising ROME power that was to become ROME EMPIRE.

Sabellicus language was widely spread over ITALY (ITA + LIAh peninsula), inhabited by a people that had come from GREECE and that was speaking yet some of Phoenician language and writing in Phoenician characters even coming from inhabit Greece... Who was such people? In a collective way they were the SABELLICUS. They arrived mainly through Adriatic Sea/coast (middle to north) and maybe also walking through Venice region.

For sure some "old Latin precursor language" existed, in parallel with other ancestor languages, used by such Sabellicus languages (as Greek and Phoenician, what was to become German). But Sabellich was made extinct by political decision, by 5th century BC, by ROME, to exterminate the Sabellicus language showing evidence of link with Phoenician language, that was the proof that Romans and Italians had been slaves (Joel 3:6) of them and of Greeks.

Thus Sabellicus language and thus the Nephitic language (just a branch, of it, by the year of some 600 BC) was made extinct, erase, replaced by the classic LATIN language, created as a "branch language" of classic Greek language.

And all the true past history was replaced by fables and even some tells about some of the true history. As the one that tells the SABELLIS=SABINES (inhabitants of ITA-LIAh) were living as slaves in Greece and run away from it. They stole sailships with few women Sabelli and came to settle Italy and Rome town. Arriving there they "noticed" they had few women. They wanted to return and get more. But the women in sailship refused the idea and threatened to set fire on sailships. They told it was so silly idea, because it was plenty of beautiful women around. It was just the work of capturing them. Thus they made a party and made the "rapt of Sabines party": one of many tales for the foundation of Rome that replaced true history that they destroyed with all Sabelli's past, including language.

For knowing about the true CHARACTERS used by the NEPHITES from the time they departed from ITA-LIAh peninsula, from nearby Rome, have a look to what was the TRUE CHARACTERS they wrote on TOMBS of some 500-700 years BC, as in the region of ORVIETO, some 130 km far from ROME. The small village of NEP nearby it... There are plenty literature about TRUE characters written on stones and objects of such NEPH's period in Italy. You should examine a picture of one word that was engraved on stone of a tomb 500 BC and see it was written with same CARACTORS of Joseph Smith.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/54967-1921-book-of-mormon-geography-hearings/page__st__80
Message # 92

Old Italic alphabets
Origin
The Old Italic alphabets developed from the west Greek alphabet, which came to Italy via the Greek colonies on Sicily and along the west coast of Italy. The Etruscans adapted the Greek alphabet to write Etruscan sometime during the 6th century BC, or possibly earlier. Most of the other alphabets used in Italy are thought to have derived from the Etruscan alphabet.

"Ancient Latin"
The earliest known inscriptions in the Latin alphabet date from the 6th century BC. It was adapted from the Etruscan alphabet during the 7th century BC. The letters Y and Z were taken from the Greek alphabet to write Greek loan words. Other letters were added from time to time as the Latin alphabet was adapted for other languages.



Here in the character "A" we can see so strange type of "A" that are so frequently presented in the Kinderhook plates. Some also are shown in CARACTORS document, but are rare cases. They are quite like of very ancient Phoenician origin, never of Greek origin. They are the result of the slavery narrated in Joel 3:6, as the Greek used a well done and well shaped "A" character, not these barbarian and brute "A" from the Phoenicians.

One general site on the ETRUSCANS: http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/

Etruscan language --> HAVE A LOOK
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/language.html

GOLD PLATES would look something like this:





The Greek alphabet has been in continuous use for the past 2,750 years or so since about 750 BC. It was developed from the Canaanite/Phoenician alphabet and the order and names of the letters are derived from Phoenician.
At first, there were a number of different versions of the alphabet used in various different Greek cities. These local alphabets, known as epichoric, can be divided into three groups: green, blue and red. The blue group developed into the modern Greek alphabet, while the red group developed into the Etruscan alphabet, other alphabets of ancient Italy and eventually the Latin alphabet.

"A" character uses a "DOT" instead of the horizontal "bar" between two inclined lines. Very typical feature of the "A" characters provided in "CARACTORS" provided by Joseph Smith

These strange shaped A also appears in Kinderhook plates:

and in many other collections of Italic characters of 5 to 7 centuries BC, including for many other type of characters, even those quite strange ones. And that would appear to be very Phoenicians... But Sabellicus were not Greeks. And followed some Hebrew rules, even now they continue to follow. As on doubling characters.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/greek.htm GREEK
ANCIENT GREEK - may have a link with NEPHITIC


http://www.omniglot.com/writing/phoenician.htm

Phoenician/Canaanite
Origins
The Phoenician alphabet developed from the Proto-Canaanite alphabet, during the 15th century BC. Before then the Phoenicians wrote with a cuneiform script. The earliest known inscriptions in the Phoenician alphabet come from Byblos and date back to 1000 BC.
The Phoenician alphabet was perhaps the first alphabetic script to be widely-used - the Phoenicians traded around the Mediterraean and beyond, and set up cities and colonies in parts of southern Europe and North Africa - and the origins of most alphabetic writing systems can be traced back to the Phoenician alphabet, including Greek, Etruscan, Latin, Arabic and Hebrew, as well as the scripts of India and East Asia.
PHOENICIAN ALPHABET



FIRST REFORMED EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE - CHARACTERS:
Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite

The Proto-Sinaitic script was the first alphabetic writing system and developed sometime between about 1900 and 1700 BC. People speaking a Semitic language and living in Egypt and Sinai adapted the Egyptian hieroglyphic or hieratic scripts to write their language using the acrophonic principle. This involved choosing about 30 glyphs, translating their Egyptian names into the Semitic language, and using the initial sounds of those names to represent the sounds of their language.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/protosinaitc.htm

[_ELYSAB]

You should have in mind that SABELLICUS language came to ITALY by a people that was not GREEK but that came from GREECE. And their language had so many PHOENICIAN aspects and influence and characters that were not present or alive in Greece. They came DIRECTLY from PHOENICIA to the SABELLICUS without becoming Greek... You should remember Joel 3:6 from Bible. Maybe some remember little of Bible: some Mormons reason too much on Mormon Book and forget Bible literature, mainly those related to "minor" prophets like Joel. This is why they don't understand some Characters that are present in CARACTORS.

You should have in mind some old Italic characters that are quite linked to the CARACTERS document, because of the AGE of moist of them and because of their link with ETRUSCAN (not what is available in classic English sites) sites, for the time they were forced to assimilate into Latin



http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/alfa_osco.gif CLICK OVER THIS PREVIOUS URL to see image.

Look at the "STRANGE" V. Just above it has a DOT! The same STRANGE character is also found in the list of CARACTORS: in English

Look also at the "STRANGE" character "A" with a DOT over it. The same STRANGE character is also found on the "A" in the other yellow list above, for so many dialects, at the top of right column. It is reproduced many times on the list of CARACTERS... What do you thinK? They are from the 600 B.C. in CARACTERS list and in OSCO list. OSCO is for those who understand GERMAN LANGUAGE, not ENGLISH...

Thus that such CHARACTERS are more or less from the time when Nephites departed to IRELAND and to USA/CANADA. They departed from ITALIA = ITALY (ITA + LIAh means: ITA + JACOB = ITA + ISRAEL's = land for the DESCENDENTS OF ISRAEL, quite like one hidden kindgom for the ISRAELITES, quite like North America, Nephites Kingdom also was ; quite like the Roman Empire of North America...).



Look at the North of Italy (ITA LIAH), where it is written CELTICO (it is more or less the modern region of the huge town of MILAN). There the CELTS joined with the NEPHIs (according literature, somewhat century VIII BC) and moved to France and crossed the CHANNEL to conquer Great Britain, and some stopped in the Island ADIEW (DIEW), a SABELLICUS name, that many think is ROMAN or French. DIEU is in B.of Mormon and it is a GREEK NAME for a "god" (mytology). In Ireland some descendants are living in a RECTANGLE known as NEPHIN, which means the LIVING PLACE of the NEPHs, next to North Ireland land. Yet some Nephites words remain in use, mixed with English and Celt.

http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/inscr_osco_CipoAbell_pte.jpg

Messages in NEPHITIC had this appearance of Cippus Abellanus.
The translation to Latim, was like this (no english translation...)
Maio Vestricio Mai Sir
ex anterpacto arbitro
------
http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/tabela_bantina.gif

Other text from the ancient Osco, a language similar to the Nephitic language, from more or less the same time.

http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/inscr_pedra_Sepino.gif

Object like this has been found into Indian Mounds in USA and generally they end in hands of rich Jews that collect them, in N.Y.
Translation to Latin of stone ov IV century BC:
Latin quis es? sum (k�r�) [cuia] baetis Adii Aedini

http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/inscr_PuntaPenne.gif
iuve�s luvfre�s (a J�piter Liber)



The list of CARACTORS have been translated to modern CARACTORS by the last 10 years, even in Jewish sites and in Yahoo Groups and Geocities: since it became known in Rome that the Nephites and Book of Mormon were originated from Rome. Such information was then, 1998, immediately made available by letter and fax, to friends and LDS authorities of Brazil and USA (in vain). Even thou it became available for general use in WEB in 2004 and in LDS sites, as FAIR, since 2005.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/203de26a4656a150b8ce9c217717c557b7ee488d976059195a93203f77086fc56g.jpg
CLICK TO SEE ENLARGED.

[_ELYSAB]

Dear DrW.
I am much more than 20 web-persons... I have so many pen names in web, since long time ago. For example, for Jews one of my names is ELIJAH or EL-IJAH and for Islam, ALIJAH or AL-IJAH or ALL-IJAH, etc. Even for posting in FAIR website, I used so many pen names, that maybe I was discussing with I myself under distinct names... Proper pen names avoid religious and cultural/linguistic/political barriers, for example. Thus it is natural that in search web devices I am found in a contradictory thread way. My sister married a Muslim man... My niece is married an Irish man who lives in USA. My other sister has Italian citizenship and lives in England where is married with a Scotland man and they have a child... Other niece married there an England and they have a child... Small world.

Sabellian was the generic name of Ancient inhabitant of Italy, excluding those of Greek and Phoenician colonies, speaking some type of language originated (corrupted) from Greece (and some Phoenicia).

I knew the Nephitic and Ancient Sabellicus, of many centuries BC, were the same language, in a "family revelation" that took place in the Hotel that I was in Rome, in 1998. As if blindness fell from my eyes and I started to see they were the same language. And in my joy I asked to the Hotel send fax (email?) to some important persons of the Church informing them about so important discovery. Also I made a very detailed report telling what was discovered and how...

Knowing such information, it was possible to determine the pathway of Nephites from nearby Rome (Orvieto?) to Africa Coast, not going South (there were hostile Greek and Phoenician colonies) by through Sardinia island and coasting. At the Africa Coast they coasted up to the point the Nile River discharge into Mediterranean Sea. Nephites moved upstream... It was EASY to find the town NEFICH (it is in language of NEPHI, without PH, but "F" on the map), which means NEFI+CH, "property of NEFI, town for the NEPHITES". It survived and now it is NAFIAHSH, in Arab, a suburb of ISHMAILIAH big town of Egypt). From there they moved to Jerusalem... I wrote a report on that in FAIR in 2005... And many other sites, as in YAHOO.

I also made many posts about HAGOTh, which name in Nefitich = Sabellich is RAGGOTTI, because of the rule of doubling consonants (it came from old Hebrew... and was introduced into Sabellicus, Joel 3:6).

MY THREAD----> I guess in FAIR. Another TBM, with the screen name of Not Hagoth 7, also claimed Nephites were found in Ireland on that thread.

Is it your contention that the Nephites left for the New World from the Italian Peninsula? YES TRUE. EXAMINE "FAIR, 2005" and Jews sites.
This is only a preliminary search of sites in FAIR: many names used...

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3231&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3254&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3256&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3261&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3249&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3237&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2756&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2671&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2541&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2708&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2665&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2668&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2666&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2689&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2622&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2685&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2504&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2689&highlight=celsoely Possibly many sites are not included in list.

The above list is only a SUGGESTION. Probably many sites are not updated and thus are of little value. Thus don't waste time with them.

What specifically is the connection of the Nephites to Ireland in your view? One group of SABELLIS, quite like a "sub-group" named NEPH people, split in two. One moved North, toward the region of the huge town of Italy named MILAN. There they joined the CELTS (see map on previous posting). And then they started a huge RIOT through Europe. One Group of CELTS, with such group of SABELLI (NEPH), went to FRANCE, and crossed the CHANNEL (where it is the island named DIEU, or ADIEU, a Greek name for a Mythological GOD) to conquer Great Britain. Due some unknown reason, the group of NEPH (Sabellians) decided to gather in the north of Ireland, where they live since thousand years, being limited by the 4 tallest peaks of Ireland, named NEPHIN = NEPH + IN, which is IN + NEPH in Nephitic language, thus IN = LIVING PLACE of NEPH. Thus the NEPHITES are living in the NEPHIN land, limited by the 4 NEPHIN peaks.

The other group of NEPH, other family group, decided to go to opposite direction, toward the AFRICA COAST and to EGYPT, to become RICH there, making the construction of a great navigation channel to the king Pharaoh NECHOH II. Who in payment gave them 2 great irrigated lands between the Bitter Lake and Red Sea: see map. There NEPH learned to build great sail ship and navigate with them, with Greek and also with Phoenician technology, as such 2 factories were nearby...

Was there a city named Nehom in the ancient Roman Empire between Jerusalem and Rome? THE NAME OF THE TOWN WAS and YET IS "NEFICH". You can go there, visit it or see TURISTIC SITES OF IT... Even you can see it by SATELITE with very huge enlargement of image. LDS never found it because they were searching for Hebrew...

I found the harbor from where Nephites departed to USA. The place has a Nephitic name, just easy to identify as a corruption from Book of Mormon (Mosiah... thus Mosiah might has come a name that was known from the boarding place... on USA Navy map) and was good mapped (high precision) by the US NAVY with such names and you can see the "Lord Mountain" on there. They didn't know: fly over it. Plenty of ore of metals mined since very ancient days: ground surface.


This superimposition takes place at the beginning of the list of CARACTORS. From the first line (on top), from the left to the right. I was able to solve this puzzle some 10 years ago. Notice that we don't have an ABSURD character that does not exist in SABELLICUS (Ancient Italian language). But it is just to pay attention, and we can separate a small character "k", on left, then the character "N" (between a character "k" and the other big character "K" on right), and going below N we have a separation with other character that is "Í" or II (in English...). Between characters "39" and "40" we have a horizontal "bar" that means a separation between two distinct gold plates. Thus what comes from the right (as character "40") is already from "other Gold Plate"). I ALREADY PROVIDED A TRANSLATION ON WORDS THAT WAS WRITTEN ON CHARACTERS LIST. It is very easy to see where such WORDS are written. Just be "smart" and "be clever"...

It is important to understand these aspects to translate the KINDERHOOH plates, because they use the information that is in CARACTORS and more. In CARACTORS you can find CHARACTERS that are PLAIN "GREEK CHARACTERS", never Italian Characters. That is because of Joel 3:6. Also you can find PLAIN "PHOENICIAN" characters because of the same reason.

That is much more important when dealing with KINDERHOOK, because here Joseph Smith was not SELECTING the CHARACTERS to be easier. And in some case we could consider them as being used for sending information that was put in a way requiring good knowledge of Nephitic (Sabellicus) language quite like to unveil (decipher) the cryptographed message. Instead of characters being separated, as usual, they were GATHERED, as at the start of the list CARACTORS. And for that it was used mainly the CARACTOR "I" placed in several positions, not "in line", and the characters were put to "rotate". But we can notice, because of the CHARACTERS used, that the difference of dates between CARACTORS and KINDERHOOK, is not so great.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/d00a1f008bb46984795e9a9b7456baa12cfc32e05786d0268de331f49c8900fa6g.jpg CLICK TO ENLARGE


The same, reduced. Notice the comparison of the "A" from the list of CARACTORS (almost all, except one, are triangles with a DOT inside) with the "A" from the Kinderhook, which is typically Phoenician, BUT there are some "A" that are very ITALIC). Notice the rotation.

One word written in the list of CARACTORS. It is written ITI.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/2b688d8a81bcdb10dd4a7643975c3453a846b25442eaba626c2d731f755b0c246g.jpg
CLICK ON URL to enlarge very much the image



You can see the translation of each character of the plate 1, face 1, of the Kinderhook plate. There are the MAIN CHARACTERS that are easy to see. Then we have quite like "hidden" characters, usually vowels ("I" is the case) that can be free or can be "glued" on some point of the main characters, making them very difficult to recognize (cryptography). But we have here quite didactic book teaching how to use such "feature", as comparing "S" with and without use of "I". And also to make things difficult characters are rotated. It is what we have to access some computer sites that we have to recognize characters that are rotated and even some "dumb" letters are added. You must "reason" about what is the character, even rotated, and with lines crossing them or touching them/ending at them, to separate what is the true character and what is the false one. In this way it was suggested in web what was written on such plate.

Quite like in old days, a "signal" was provided to know when a word had finished. Thus you stop reading the characters at that point to generate a word. See how they could read words in written Sabellicus in very ancient time?

[_ELYSAB]

IT IS AMAZING what causes the lack of proper INFORMATION on the development of LANGUAGES and their CHARACTERS!

For sure LATIN and languages that originated from Latin are languages that are originated from the EGIPTIAN REFORMED language, SINAITIC LANGUAGE. I stressed such information here, providing sites on that. It is a great ignorance not knows that Hebrew and Phoenician, among so many others, are just originated (successors) from EGIPTIAN REFORMED languages.

Also the GREEK is an EGIPTIAN REFORMED language, as it is originated from PHOENICIAN language that is originated from Egyptian Reformed language and characters.

Also ancient ETRUSCAN ()
And the ANCIENT ITALIAN LANGUAGES, as Ancient Latin (),
Osco, Sabina, Sabina Tiberina, Adriatica (), Etruria, Campania, Osca, Samnio, Umbro, Piceno, etc., and also,
Classic and modern Latin,
And also MODERN LATIN derived LANGUAGES (Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc.)...
They have as basic origin the EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE.

Also we have so great influence of EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE in ENGLISH and GERMANIC languages and in Russian... Thus, basically the European languages and characters are originated from EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE, using quite "compact" letters (characters) for communication/storage of ideas, instead of the long space required for the Egyptian hieroglyphs. That is what is told in Book of Mormon.

Thus it is NATURAL that where in MEDIEVAL EUROPE it was being used some type of LATIN, it was being used also some descendant of the EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE and ORIGINAL CHARACTERS, having in them some of what was remaining of PHOENICIAN and GREEK and of ETRUSCAN, because they were in the "backbones" of LATIN. In fact they remain in some grammar, words and characters even of English... Why some consonants are made DOUBLED when between two vowels? Or vowels sound? The answer comes from the Sabellicus (and Nefiticus in it...). Or from the merger of Ancient Greek, Phoenician and Hebrew in Greece: Joel 3:6, slavery period. Some Sabelli, instead of stay in Greece or move to Italia, moved toward Persian Empire (as Saber/Saberi people), to India and to China/Japan/Korea (for trade)...

Notice that the FIRST LANGUAGE was EGYPTIAN. And it was REFORMED first into a SEMITIC LANGUAGE. The PROTO-SINAITIC.
[url]
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/protosinaitc.htm[/url]

Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite

The Proto-Sinaitic script was the first alphabetic writing system and developed sometime between about 1900 and 1700 BC. People speaking a Semitic language and living in Egypt and Sinai adapted the Egyptian hieroglyphic or hieratic scripts to write their language using the acrophonic principle. This involved choosing about 30 glyphs, translating their Egyptian names into the Semitic language, and using the initial sounds of those names to represent the sounds of their language.
The script was partially deciphered by Alan Gardiner in 1916.

Proto-Canaanite is a name used for a version of the Proto-Sinaitic script as used in Canaan, an area encompassing modern Lebanon, Israel, Palestine and western parts of Syria. It is also used to refer to an early version of the Phoenician script as used before 1050 BC, or an ancestor of the Phoenician script. --->

---->PHOENICIAN (and Hebrew) AS THE NEXT STAGE OF REFORMED EGYPTIAN. NEXT CAME THE GREEK LANGUAGE. NEXT CAME THE NEPHITIC LANGUAGE AND SABELLICUS. NEXT CAME THE LATIN AND LATIN LANGUAGES (including influences in languages like English, Russian, and many others...).

A small number of Proto-Canaanite inscriptions dated to the 17th century BC have been found in Canaan. Most are short and were probably written by Semitic-speaking travelers or soldiers from Egypt.

Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite script---->
---> FIRST REFORMED EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE <------
This is one version of the Proto-Canaanite script using Phoenician/Hebrew alphabetical order. The actual arrangement of letters used is uncertain. Most letters have more than one shape.



A sample of a very old script in REFORMED EGYPTIAN is provided next, and is of 1,500 years B.C. From Serabit el-Khadim, Sinai Pennisula





After making a search in the WEB, I found one solution and much more:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/etruscan.htm
Etruscan alphabet

The Etruscan alphabet developed from a Western variety of the Greek alphabet brought to Italy by Euboean Greeks. The earliest known inscription dates from the middle of the 6th century BC. Most Etruscan inscriptions are written in horizontal lines from right to left, but some are boustrophedon (running alternately left to right then right to left).

More than 10,000 Etruscan inscriptions have been found on tombstones, vases, statues, mirrors and jewellery. Fragments of an Etruscan book made of linen have also been found. Etruscan texts can be read: i.e. the pronunciation of the letters is known, though scholars are not sure what all the words mean.

Archaic Etruscan alphabet (7th-5th centuries BC)

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This collection of characters is reading toward the LEFT. Look at the L.

Sample text in Etruscan
(Texts of Book of Mormon on GOLD PLATES had this APPEARANCE):

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NOTICE that in the document CARACTORS it is missing the use of "DOTs" (points) to separate the WORDS. We can explain that because the document CARACTORS was not to present WORDS "but" CHARACTERS (the document is on "CARACTORS", not on TEXT, on WORDS). And thus instead of using DOTS, they were replaced by SPACES in BLANK.

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/tombs.html

See the very ancient TOMBS in Italy, of the Sabellicus (Etruscs?), quite like the origin of the INDIAN MOUNDS found in USA for BURIALS.

[_ELYSAB]

It is amazing that the LDS didn't notice that the plates KINDERHOOK have their MESSAGE in CHARACTERS that are in the LANGUAGE of SABELLICUS people, that typically came from ISRAEL and stayed slave in PHOENICIA and then in GREECE and then went into ANCIENT ITALIA (ITA + LIAh = JACOB's , thus land for ISRAELITES). Thus SABELLICUS is the LANGUAGE for ISRAELITES that were dispersed from ISRAEL and that mixed with PHOENICIAN and GREEK, and that is basically the language of ANCIENT ITALY. And that is basically the language of the NEPHITES and the language that is in the CHARACTERS of the KINDERHOOK PLATES.

It is possible that the original plates, in the old and good BRASS were replaced by the "modern" brass by some SCIENTISTS of the CHURCH (BYU and ancestors of it), just to justify the idea that the nephites were in Mexico and Guatemala. Thus adding the FALSE BRASS. But in any way the correct information was added, by photography copying, on the false brass. Nice scientists using of all means to justify ends.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/ca3d4fa44d118c5f7c37f99db79fa4eb5933b884c7c46c66418ea15adcb2f3986g.jpg

Click on previous URL. It shows the CHARACTERS and text used in LOS LUNAS, NEW MEXICO, for a religious text that is believed to be in Hebraic, for the TEN COMMANDMENTS. In fact it is written the same characters used in the KINDERHOOK PLATES, thus in SABELLICUS characters, thus in NEPHITIC characters, thus is very old ITALICUS characters. The similitude is very great, but the texts are not identical. Thus they were not made by the same person. They are just "similar materials". As Jews were able to translate through some type of Hebrew, it is also possible to translate through some type of Sabellich = Nephitic (the languages are very related).
ELYSAB. But the language LDS=BYU with stone languages of Guatemala and Mexico go nowhere. Maybe to Ideogramas of “monsters” = alike Chinese.




Object found in OHIO, in an INDIAN MOUND, in 1838, with a text written in Nephitic = sabellic language. Can you read? According Joseph Smith, the PROPHET (the one who knows about the Nephitic Empire, not the scientists, the Nephitic Empire stretched from Cumorah Hill, the one nearby the town of New York, to the Rocky Mountains, passing by the place where Zelph, the White Lamanite, was found next to the Illinois River, thus, next to the Mound where Kinderhooh Plates where found...). The Indian Inscription above was exactly under the Indian center line of Nephitic Empire according Joseph Smith... or not?

Examine the WEB Book of 84 pages:

The Ancient Los Lumas New Mexico Hebrew 10 Commandments Stone

Compiled by Glen W. Chapman From Various Sources- April 2006

An Ancient Hebrew Inscription in New Mexico

Fact or Fraud?

by James D. Tabor

http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/The%20Ancient%20Los%20Lumas%20New%20Mexico%20Hebrew%2010%20Commandments%20Stone.pdf