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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:56 am 
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New four-volume history of the Church will be 'transparent, honest and faithful'

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“It is a narrative history written in an engaging style that will be accessible to both youth and adults,” he remarked.

“Saints, however, is not historical fiction. It is a true story based on the records of people from the past. Every detail and every line of dialogue is supported by historical sources.”

https://www.ldschurchnews.com/latest/20 ... hful-47140

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Volume 1 — available later this year — tells the story of the Restoration from Joseph Smith’s childhood to the Saints receiving ordinances in the Nauvoo Temple in 1846.

Volume 2 covers the Saints’ challenges in gathering to the western United States and finishes with the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple.

Volume 3 recounts the Church’s global growth, ending with the dedication of the Bern Switzerland Temple in 1955.

Volume 4 brings the narrative up to the recent past in which temples dot the earth.


It will be interesting to see what they omit...

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:44 am 
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Book of Abraham translation being wrong.
All previous first presidency statements on the priesthood ban being a revelation from God.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:31 pm 
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New four-volume history of the Church will be 'transparent, honest and faithful’.

Implying what? That all heretofore historical publications were not any of those things? Seems rather dubious for an organization that claims to be the one true Church on all the earth.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:01 pm 
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The question to ask is:

How would this work be different if it was only honest and transparent?

In other words, the very fact that the word "faithful" was part of the description tells you they are ommiting unfaithful parts.

They should of just called it for what it is, hagiography.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 4:51 pm 
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Fence Sitter wrote:
The question to ask is:

How would this work be different if it was only honest and transparent?

In other words, the very fact that the word "faithful" was part of the description tells you they are ommiting unfaithful parts.

They should of just called it for what it is, hagiography.


It struck me as being dishonest. The church always reports things in a manner that put's the church in the best possible light and assists the testimony by remaining faithful to the information given.

How on earth can the church present anything faithful about the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 and Joseph Smith's declaration and presentation of those things? These are some serious warts in Mormonism and yet the church just covers them up and tells the faithful to not worry about those little things but to look at the whole picture. Well, the whole picture is one giant image of corruption. The Mormon church is totally corrupt from the foundation to the top -- full of rotten garbage.

The stink that comes out of Mormonism is enough to make any honest person to want to barf.

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https://LDS.org/languages/eng/content/h ... es-of-gold

Transparent and Honest? Don’t make me laugh...

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 2:10 am 
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The church is not what it claims to be. The leaders speak on behalf of an imaginary god and sell a lot of fantasy in exchange for real time and money. So, the new "history" must be merely more salesmanship and spin.

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I have a question wrote:
https://LDS.org/languages/eng/content/history/saints-v1/03-plates-of-gold

Transparent and Honest? Don’t make me laugh...


The church has never, ever, ever, operated in a transparent manner. It is a secretive cult organization which has mutated into a business enterprise that hides its financial affairs from public scrutiny and continues to dole out financial rewards to the leaders of the church and their families.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 8:15 am 
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The LDS CULT is not this.

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Mormonism is anything but transparent. It is a cult organization that is secretive and hides up his history and refuses to talk about the controversies which are causing the organization to crumble at its foundations.

Does the church clarify its position on the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3? No. It doesn't. The church is anything but transparent.

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So, when will they really be "transparent and honest" and admit to everyone that Joseph Smith made it all up?

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Transparent - I take this to mean that they will not hide things. This is good.
Honest - This indicates they won't lie about things. This is also good.
Faithful - This means that they will hide things or lie about things that are not faith promoting. It overrides the first two.

If the truth was faith promoting then it would go without saying that a transparent and honest history would be faith promoting as well. As John Larson pointed out - Watch out when people say things that should go without saying.


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Exiled wrote:
So, when will they really be "transparent and honest" and admit to everyone that Joseph Smith made it all up?


The church will come clean when it is forced to. After the church is sued the legal entanglements will suffocate the leadership and there will be a restructuring of the religion altogether. The leadership of the church will have to find a way to convert the Corporation into a bonafide church and real transparency will be introduced to Mormonism for the first time.

The New Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will have to come to terms on how they will move forward and allow the membership a voice.

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oliblish wrote:
Transparent - I take this to mean that they will not hide things. This is good.
Honest - This indicates they won't lie about things. This is also good.
Faithful - This means that they will hide things or lie about things that are not faith promoting. It overrides the first two.

If the truth was faith promoting then it would go without saying that a transparent and honest history would be faith promoting as well. As John Larson pointed out - Watch out when people say things that should go without saying.


It's become clear to me that Mormonism has run its course. It had its fun under the sun and its heyday was under Hinckley's reign. But the good ole days are over. The church is under siege from all directions and cannot continue its current course in today's world. Real change is coming. The church as we know it is going down. The good ship Mormonism is really sinking. It's taking in water fast. It's getting its just rewards for the kind of life it lived. Live by the sword and die by the sword. The church is reaping what it sowed.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:21 am 
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I think it's ironic that the push for the olympics and the Romney campaign that made up, in part, the "Mormon moment" will ultimately prove the church's undoing. Shining a light on the church probably was not the thing to do in the age of the internet and it should be chalked up as yet another failure of the so called "prophets, seers, and revelators."

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:29 am 
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I didn't realize they had four chapters of it out. So far it sucks. https://LDS.org/languages/eng/content/h ... k-in-faith

I'm not sure "transparent"? Not looking like it to me. "honest"? hmm..sure to some extent. "faithful"? Well depends on what definition of faithful we're using.


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