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 Post subject: RFM - the investigation continues
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:23 pm 
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https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/201 ... up-part-2/

Another must listen!

Did I understand the ending correctly? RFM is awaiting permission to discuss the Church's 'outside counsels' 7 page letter? Surely that permission is not coming from the attorney right?

McKenna's attorneys must love you. Of course the Church is going to have to punish you one of these days for continuing to expose them to the light of day.

I hope nothing holds up this permission. Can't wait to hear what is on page 4!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:41 am 
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Consiglieri, your summation of the facts, the timeline and the inescapable conclusions, is exemplary. I foresee a career in investigative journalism in your future...

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:48 am 
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This is another hats off podcast series from RFM.
Skillfully investigated, throughoutly analyzed and systematically presented.
Thank you Consig, for your efforts.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:35 am 
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Thanks so much for the kind words, everybody!

And yes, I have come into possession of the original 7-page David Jordan letter.

This is how I know that McKenna's lawyer wrote his original demand letter in mid-February 2018 and that David Jordan wrote his reply letter of 7-pages on March 13th.

If McKenna's lawyer gives me authorization, there is something on page 4 that I do want to mention.

On that page, David Jordan makes a huge blunder and accidentally reveals he has access to information that is extremely interesting.

I have passed this on to McKenna's attorney and I expect he will be taking appropriate action on it.

But I don't want to comment on it until I receive authorization to do so.

I don't want to inadvertently compromise McKenna's case. I don't see how revealing it would be a problem, but I cannot see the end of all things and wouldn't want to let the cat out of the bag prematurely.

Thanks so much for listening!

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:20 am 
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I haven't had much faith in the church org or it's leaders for quite a while, but this all still amazes me. I shouldn't be surprised but I am.
Zero tolerance may be the biggest lie the Church tells these days.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:24 pm 
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Zero tolerance really doesn't mean a whole lot when Bishop still has his membership now does it?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:26 pm 
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Fence Sitter wrote:
Zero tolerance really doesn't mean a whole lot when Bishop still has his membership now does it?

And he will die with membership and priesthood intact? The man is getting older..what are they going to friggin do...now!


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:57 pm 
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Stem wrote:
I haven't had much faith in the church org or it's leaders for quite a while, but this all still amazes me. I shouldn't be surprised but I am.
Zero tolerance may be the biggest lie the Church tells these days.



by the way, the biggest lie the Church tells now or any other time is its claim to speak for a God.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:20 pm 
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Fence Sitter wrote:
by the way, the biggest lie the Church tells now or any other time is its claim to speak for a God.


It seems to me the only God anyone really knows is the one they have contructed in their own brains/psyche. In this way it's not a big deal to me for them to say they speak for God. I mean I enjoyed RFM's podcasts about revelation and how it's been portrayed in the Church because I agree, they are changing what revelation is, and using pretty mundane decisions and ideas as examples of revelation. But I honestly don't know that it's ever been any different in the sum of it. That is Joseph, when claiming to speak for God, just attributed words like, "and the Lord says..." to the front of his ideas. They've gone away from that now, and basically since BY said it a few times, and just say their ideas then later add on some explanation of how it was revelation.

To me, their lie in this is much more about them offering ambiguous but leading claims of seeing and speaking to the Lord as it is about them claiming to have revelation.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:12 pm 
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Stem wrote:
Fence Sitter wrote:
by the way, the biggest lie the Church tells now or any other time is its claim to speak for a God.


It seems to me the only God anyone really knows is the one they have contructed in their own brains/psyche. In this way it's not a big deal to me for them to say they speak for God. I mean I enjoyed RFM's podcasts about revelation and how it's been portrayed in the Church because I agree, they are changing what revelation is, and using pretty mundane decisions and ideas as examples of revelation. But I honestly don't know that it's ever been any different in the sum of it. That is Joseph, when claiming to speak for God, just attributed words like, "and the Lord says..." to the front of his ideas. They've gone away from that now, and basically since BY said it a few times, and just say their ideas then later add on some explanation of how it was revelation.

To me, their lie in this is much more about them offering ambiguous but leading claims of seeing and speaking to the Lord as it is about them claiming to have revelation.
Stem. your post here somehow touched me..it sounds so much like a final Mormon meltdown. Like the bottom finally bottomed out..and not much foundation left. Just know it is my revelation that we will always have friends in this world..sincere ones..I hope you will let be one of yours.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:36 pm 
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candygal wrote:
Stem. your post here somehow touched me..it sounds so much like a final Mormon meltdown. Like the bottom finally bottomed out..and not much foundation left. Just know it is my revelation that we will always have friends in this world..sincere ones..I hope you will let be one of yours.


Thanks, candygal. I appreciate this. I've gained a great respect for you over the time I've seen you posting both here and there. I don't' know that the bottomwill ever be all the way bottomed out for me. I'm weird like that, i guess. I like to hang on in some way, but it's been a few years since I've felt similar to what Iv'e expressed. There's no tears to shed. I've told all I know that it is not losing anything for me. I'm just hear to build on whatever I've gained.


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Stem wrote:
candygal wrote:
Stem. your post here somehow touched me..it sounds so much like a final Mormon meltdown. Like the bottom finally bottomed out..and not much foundation left. Just know it is my revelation that we will always have friends in this world..sincere ones..I hope you will let be one of yours.


Thanks, candygal. I appreciate this. I've gained a great respect for you over the time I've seen you posting both here and there. I don't' know that the bottomwill ever be all the way bottomed out for me. I'm weird like that, i guess. I like to hang on in some way, but it's been a few years since I've felt similar to what Iv'e expressed. There's no tears to shed. I've told all I know that it is not losing anything for me. I'm just hear to build on whatever I've gained.


You guys are good people. I know I have given our friend Stem a hard time in the past, but I am glad both of your are hear and I enjoy reading your posts.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:06 pm 
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Stem wrote:
candygal wrote:
Stem. your post here somehow touched me..it sounds so much like a final Mormon meltdown. Like the bottom finally bottomed out..and not much foundation left. Just know it is my revelation that we will always have friends in this world..sincere ones..I hope you will let be one of yours.


Thanks, candygal. I appreciate this. I've gained a great respect for you over the time I've seen you posting both here and there. I don't' know that the bottomwill ever be all the way bottomed out for me. I'm weird like that, i guess. I like to hang on in some way, but it's been a few years since I've felt similar to what Iv'e expressed. There's no tears to shed. I've told all I know that it is not losing anything for me. I'm just hear to build on whatever I've gained.
I admire you. Your conversations and input here and there speak for the general membership that often remains silent. You are a key to good changes in the church. Best to you.


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